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Nominated for Best Email of the Year –

Submitted by AMAC Member Howard Sharpell –

After being interviewed by the school administration, the prospective teacher said:

‘Let me see if I’ve got this right.

‘You want me to go into that room with all those kids, correct their disruptive behavior, observe them for signs of abuse, monitor their dress habits, censor their T-shirt messages, and instill in them a love for learning.

‘You want me to check their backpacks for weapons, wage war on drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, and raise their sense of self esteem and personal pride.

‘You want me to teach them patriotism and good citizenship, sportsmanship and fair play, and how to register to vote, balance a checkbook, and apply for a job.

‘You want me to check their heads for lice, recognize signs of antisocial behavior, and make sure that they all pass the final exams.

‘You also want me to provide them with an equal education regardless of their handicaps, and communicate regularly with their parents in English, Spanish or any other language, by letter, telephone, newsletter, and report card.

‘You want me to do all this with a piece of chalk, a blackboard, a bulletin board, a few books, a big smile, and a starting salary that qualifies me for food stamps.

‘You want me to do all this, and then you tell me……
I can’t pray.


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HJ
7 years ago

Somehow this is being passed around our office lately, and being a Christian I decided I needed to respond. This topic is getting old:

And now, the world’s greatest follow up:

Those who really have a relationship with Christ know that their prayer cannot be taken away. They also know they are told to “pray without ceasing” (1Thes5) and more important than that, they know not to “pray on the street corners or in public JUST TO BE SEEN” as the hypocrites do (Mt6). Know what else they know? They know that if you a truly have a relationship with Christ, He dwells within you, and you are in constant communication with Him and all your thoughts are essentially prayers.

So next time someone says you can’t pray, or want to be seen on TV as a “Christian activist,” get on board with what the bible teaches and stop trying to glorify yourself and get publicity. That is NOT what Christ did. He did NOT fight for his rights. Stop fighting for yours.
One more bonus for you all: How can you rejoice in your trials when you have fought for all your rights back and have none?

Whiney babies.

About the SALARY: I went to college and graduate school with women who wanted to teach. They all whined about salaries then, and now that they are teaching. I reminded them that they know what they will make and ask them to please stop whining about it. Why go into a career that you know all the problems with and then spend the remainder of your life moaning around about it?

Another bonus: Do all things without grumbling and complaining. Phil 2:14

Elizabeth Gordon
8 years ago

Wonderful, I was public school educated and we said a short prayer everyday and I grew up to be a positive member of society with a wonderful family.Prayer hurts no one, for those who don’t like it just leave and go live under a rock where you belong.

Greg Johnston
8 years ago

“…for those who don’t like it just leave and go live under a rock where you belong.”

Exactly the kind of thing Christians ought to be saying in a public forum. I can almost hear Jesus saying it just this way. Let those who think a Christian’s speech to outsiders ought to be gracious just go crawl under a rock where they belong along with those who don’t want Elizabeth’s positive experience imposed on them.

BJ
8 years ago

Nobody said she can’t pray. She can pray all she wants. She just can’t make other people pray with her.
The part that stands out to me is about her salary being so low it qualifies for food stamps. That is shameful.

El
8 years ago
Reply to  BJ

BJ your name says it all….get slurping instead of praying for your soul

dont tolerate liberals
8 years ago
Reply to  El

El – you are a jerk!
You probably voted for NoBama too.

Peggy Boyd
8 years ago
Reply to  BJ

I agree, teacher salary is pitiful.

Greg Johnston
8 years ago
Reply to  Peggy Boyd

Perfect and simple analysis, BJ. Well said. The punchline for that entire email is that she has all of those overwhelming responsibilities requiring superhuman character and strength, but is prohibited from praying. And all the evangelical Christians start foaming at the mouth like Pavlov’s dog. But of course she is not prohibited from praying. As you say, she just can’t use her official position to promote her faith by holding formal prayer in the classroom..

And I think a lot of Christians posting in this thread are capable of understanding this. I just don’t think they care about the distinction. They WANT the right to impose their faith on others. That’s what being a privileged member of God’s elect in a Christian nation is all about. We want a culture in which we don’t have to bear our cross in an unbelieving world. And when the world behaves like the world, we don’t like it. We get nasty. Just like Jesus did. We demand our rights. Just like Jesus did. We scramble for political power. Just like Jesus did.

Too bad Jesus didn’t live in a Christian nation. He wouldn’t have had to bear his cross.

Linda
8 years ago
Reply to  Greg Johnston

Well stated, Greg. We are so fortunate to live in a country where we still have the ability to make a choice. If we all could concentrate on our own spirituality, instead of condemning others who don’t follow ours, we could live in Peace under one God.

Sam
8 years ago
Reply to  Greg Johnston

If one cannot teach the Ten Commandments (accepted by Jews, Muslims, Christians, and many others) as authoritative, then there is little hope of the success of teaching these values – at least in the school. It is this State-mandated (virtual) atheistic materialism that is not only offensive to some, but demonstrably harmful in society; it is not just about a religious ritual of words in a public forum.

Paula
6 years ago
Reply to  Greg Johnston

I love this so much.

Mary P
7 years ago
Reply to  BJ

I agree with you. That was the part that got me the most. All that and with a salary so low she could qualify for food stamps. That is why so many outstanding teachers are leaving our schools and in the long run, that is why our education continues to fall.

DENNIS SMITH
8 years ago

THAT TEACHER MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. SHE UNDER PLAYED THE JOB THAT TEACHERS ENCOUNTER EVERY DAY THAT SHE IS EMPLOYED. YES, SHE IS EXPECTED TO DO THE IMPOSSIBLE, PARTLY BECAUSE THE PARENTS WILL NOT DO THEIR PARENTING JOB. SOCIETY IS ALSO THE CAUSE HER JOB IS SO DIFFICULT AND OUR ELECTED SERVANTS OF GOD BLESS AMERICA ARE 100% BLIND AS TO THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM DUTIES.

RadarRecon
8 years ago

One of the most-expressed wishes nationally is “God, bless America,” and those who express it go about their daily lives and think that that’s all it takes, that that’s a wish that God will at least consider, if not fulfill any day now.

But he has given us a prerequisite for that to happen, and it will take some effort on our part. If you know what an “if …, then … ” statement is, you know that the “if” part must be done before the “then” follows.

__IF__ you want God to bless America, __THEN__ here’s what must happen.

“IF my people, who are called by my name, will:
HUMBLE THEMSELVES and
PRAY and
SEEK MY FACE (come before him in humility) and
TURN from their wicked ways,

THEN will I hear from heaven and will
FORGIVE their sins and will
HEAL THEIR LAND.”
2 Chronicles 7:14.

Georgia Hostetler
8 years ago
Reply to  RadarRecon

Praise the Lord for those Christian’s who stand up and say “We are ready to fight this mess.” My daughter is a teacher and I have other friends who teach. Our government has started telling teachers what to teach and they are supposed to teach THAT WAY & That Stuff. I thank the Lord for the teachers who STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE, Parents need to get in there and voice their opinion on these things. What do you want your Children to be taught? YOU get in there and “Just say NO” to the things you object to and tell anyone listening what you want for your children to be learning… STAND UP PARENT… STAND UP…PRAY FIRST. IICHRONICLES 7:14 is what I have been preaching every chance I get. ONE NATION UNDER GOD. 2014 LETS GO FOR IT.

Roy Bowden
8 years ago
Reply to  RadarRecon

Sorry to disagree but that is old covenant thinking and conditional on mans effort when Jesus Himself took the full wrath meant for man and said…”I will NEVER leave you…or forsake you. That means He will NEVER turn His face away again.” The requirement from us is simple…..You are blessed…..The curse has been removed….your lawless deeds and sinful acts He doesn’t remember….The penalty was paid. “By one mans disobedience the many were made sinners….by one mans obedience the many shall be made righteous. Stop barking up the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and look at the tree of life. Simple.

PS
8 years ago

I’m wondering when the present sitting government announces the throwing Christians to the lions? The traditions of the country since its founding are not recognizable any longer. It’s so sad to watch the country continue to decline and the persecution between various peoples are allowed. What happened to everyone living in harmony and letting each have his own belief?

nad
8 years ago
Reply to  PS

the creators and supporters of this educational and cultural mess should be hunted down like dogs and then sent to french guiana to raise goats and radishes.

WTGeezer
8 years ago

My kids are grown now. When they were young, their teachers were instructed by me that if they were ever in any trouble in school, let me or their mother know, in writing, and the note would be returned the next school day, signed by either their mom or me. We would handle the problem, and the child would not be a problem again.
Our children knew of the arrangement, and our children were never a problem at school.
They also knew that we never made threats about punishment. We made promises, and we never broke a promise.

Today, both have families of their own, and are active in Church and are raising good, healthy, respectable children of their own.

The Lord gave us a lot of inspiration and leadership. We just followed his way.

Carol
8 years ago
Reply to  WTGeezer

As a mother of six I knew my children were not little angels. We tried to teach morality and respect and tried to encourage them to study and do well in school but as I said they were no angels. When they got in trouble in school we as parents would take this child to school and talk to the teacher and get both sides. My kids always had their own story. But one thing they knew that if they were creating a problem they would have it straightened out. Parents didn’t take sides. We listened and tried to get to the truth and our children knew that. They were taught truth, responsibility and morality. This is why we had a better educational system. Teachers were there to teach and could.

Tiffany
8 years ago
Reply to  WTGeezer

I Love your comment! It brought tears to my eyes. So many people do not realize how little it takes to raise good children.

LA
8 years ago

I am a mother of 4. I volunteer almost daily in our schools. On the days I am not volunteering

Stephen J Smith
8 years ago

The original post does not mention that she needs to test the kids at four different times, using four different methods to get the same results and still find time to teach them what they are being tested for.

joseph
8 years ago

prayer in schools cannot be forced on the students, nor can it be denied.

Jim Williams
8 years ago

We die a little every day we don’t put God first in our lives no matter what your profession is. My 22 years of working in a manufacturing facility required me to self monitor my Christian walk. I learned that you didn’t need to be outspoken about your faith but to shine as He gives us grace to do so. If you pray contiually and look for opertunities He will provide.

Ed Dunn
8 years ago

I do not know of a single school where a person could not pray, as long as it was to oneself.

Brc
8 years ago

Everyone wants religion in school, as long as its your religion. For example .. Your a Baptist and your child’s teacher is a Mormon ,do you want him leading prayer in your child’s class?

Just Me
8 years ago
Reply to  Brc

I’m Baptist and I don’t have a problem with a Mormon leading my child in a prayer. I am certain of this answer because I have some VERY good friends who are Mormon. Jesus loves me and you and you and you…

JACarp
8 years ago
Reply to  Just Me

I’m a Mormon and don’t have a problem with a Baptist leading my child in prayer. We all need to stick together to support those things that are good and right regardless of our theological differences.

Ryan
8 years ago
Reply to  Brc

It’s not religion they want back in school…it’s Jesus

nad
8 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

here is what we need back in schools: civics, american history, generic religion and the golden rule(leaves out muslims as they do not have a golden rule), consequences, more suspensions and expelling for unacceptble behavior, real physical education and exercise(not badminton on the bball court), dress codes with only pants, energy, and more teachers who care.

Stephen J Smith
8 years ago
Reply to  Brc

You bet.
Two thoughts.
One, I know some Mormons that share prayers to God that show a close relationship with God and,
Two, if you are praying with your kids at home they should see that your relationship with God is closer that the Mormon’s relationship with God. They will learn practicality the difference between religions.

RMC
8 years ago
Reply to  Brc

And what if the teacher were Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, or any non-Christian religion?

Ais
8 years ago
Reply to  RMC

Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same god. Buddhists and Hindus believe in helping one another, and having spiritual growth. I want my children to be exposed to all of these religions, and would be very concerned if they weren’t. Understanding other religions allows people to learn acceptance, love, and tolerance for those different to them. It allows people to understand others opinions, and respect other people. In fact, I hope that my children are exposed to these religions. If they aren’t, our entire educational system has failed them, and in my opinion our country.

dal
8 years ago
Reply to  Ais

Amen. The name doesn’t matter, just the belief. It’s like calling William by Bill or Will. We have forgotten that we have the freedom OF religion, not the freedom FROM religion.

Hair doer
8 years ago
Reply to  Ais

That’s the best post yet.!!!!!

Rene Painter
8 years ago
Reply to  RMC

Muslim faith scares me…they still believe in the stone age….we Christian have grown with the times, we wouldn’t think of being so inconsiderate as to pull a mat out in the middle of traffic (like they did in NY) and, kneel down and pray, our God would give us a chance to get home or to our church….we can pray while walking to a private area…hey they put on a show…I think God would get a joke out of us stopping traffic for Him, however I still think He would rather us pray in a safer environment than the middle of the road….get out of America if you don’t like our ways….keep you stone age beliefs to yourselves…

Hair doer
8 years ago
Reply to  Rene Painter

YOU get out of America if you don’t like others ways!!!

HAM
8 years ago
Reply to  Hair doer

Hair doer: Rene Painter has just as much right to her opinion as you do. Democrats/Liberals preach tolerance EXCEPT when an someone else’s opinion disagrees with THEIRS. Then they call it intolerance.

Bonnie
8 years ago
Reply to  Rene Painter

I have to say you do have the right to your opinion about how you feel about others and their religion. You also have the right of freedom of speech. You also have the right of freedom of religion. These rights were given to you and everyone else in the United States when the bill of rights was signed. Even back when the bill of rights were signed we were a melting pot of different races, cultures, and religion.

I say you have these rights but when stupid people speak it makes my ears hurt and when they write something I am reading it makes my eyes hurt. So if you have nothing intelligent or nice to say or write, then don’t say or write anything.

Thank you.

BeeBee
8 years ago

Amen! I grew up with prayer in school everyday, prayer at home everyday and we didn’t have all the violence like today. We didn’t have kids coming into schools with assault weapons killing. We’ve all done a great job in allowing God to be removed from just about everywhere and look at the state of the world. Sad!!

Bonnie
8 years ago
Reply to  BeeBee

I myself do not care if someone prays in school or not, it is their choice. But I do not believe taking the prayer out of school has anything to do with the change in our children. I believe the change is due to lack of parenting. Both mom and dad work 8+ hours a day and no one is at home teaching their children basic morals, right from wrong. Maybe as parents we need to start caring where our children are and who they are with, and when they are coming home. Maybe just Maybe if we start caring about these little people we bring into the world and start teaching them right from wrong from the beginning then the violence would decrease.

Robert H
8 years ago

Well, I was actually considering joining AMAC until I read the posts. For the record, I am a long-term conservative, I worked for Ronald Reagan when he was president, I am now an evangelical minister of a large conservative church in a very liberal state. Regarding prayer – the fact is this – if parents prayed with their children at home, prayer in school would be unstoppable.

The hatred, anger and boorishness expressed by the members and posters in this forum alone would cause Jesus to weep. Being right on the issues is not a platform for name-calling etc. If Jesus could say “Bless them Father they know not what they do” then certainly we can follow His lead. You folks are wrong in your behavior even if you are correct in your position. And go ahead and flame me, I won’t be back to this site and yes I am sure I won’t be missed.

AMAC you lost a potential member who agrees with you on probably every issue except the way your members behave.

Fallible Me
8 years ago
Reply to  Robert H

Kind sir, I agree with your complete assessment 110%.

Deana
8 years ago
Reply to  Robert H

WOW … he put into perfect words what all teachers have been trying to say for years…
absolutely perfect. Teachers are the only people on earth who would even attempt to take on this job.
The truth is that teachers love their students and would actually try to accomplish that ridiculous list. Pray for our teachers.

ali
8 years ago
Reply to  Robert H

Respectfully, what causes Jesus to weep is not limited to people who speak contemptuously or disrespectfully, but those who have the opportunity to intervene with encouraging words for better behavior – instead of wringing their hands, throwing the baby out with the bath water and running the other way. It was not the well-controlled behavior of upright Christians Jesus was led to minister to – but people in need of a better way.

Just Me
8 years ago
Reply to  Robert H

That’s sad. If you find my post, I don’t think you would find it offensive. That’s like saying you won’t attend Church because it’s full of hypocrites. Of course, it is. What better place for them to be. We all fall short. If you’re looking for a place that is perfect, you’ll have to wait until you get to Heaven. You should stay and let your “positive” voice be heard.

Katrina
8 years ago
Reply to  Robert H

Robert,
You are assuming that the folks posting here are members… You forget, you were allowed to post and yet you are not a member. You may be judging rather hastily. I am not a member but I am replying to your post because you may be a valuable member of this association who is deciding not to join based on the rants and raves of a bunch of social media junkies who are NOT members of this association but merely people who enjoy ranting and raving on social media issues. Just an observation.

HAM
8 years ago
Reply to  Robert H

There are no perfect people. I assume that is one of the reasons you became a minister. If one of your church members behaved badly would you turn your back and not minister to them?

Rik
8 years ago
Reply to  Robert H

To all pastors, ministers and priests … You have all failed your flocks? When was the last time you preached against the sins of our politicians from your pulpit? Our churches have fewer young adults than ever. It’s not surprising to me … we have a president who says he is a Christian, who doesn’t go to church on Sundays, because he’s concerned about the distraction of his Secret Service security issues … convenient excuse! This so-called Christian president has lied over 30 times in public about “if you like your insurance and your doctor, you can keep them”. What message does that send to people, especially kids … Christians aren’t supposed to lie … Yet our president does it all the time! Did you call him out about his lies from your pulpit? Of course not. The ACLU (should stand for the Anti-Christian Lawyers Union) would hear about it and bring a lawsuit against your church. But, it’s not the fear of the lawsuit that scares you … It’s the threat of these lying politicians of taking away your church and all churches non-profit status. Imagine the monies the government could raise by taxing church property? The catholic church is the largest property owner in the whole USA and probably the world! That’s why we don’t hear any sermons calling out our politicians, or about gay marriage, or even the removal of the Ten Commandments from in front of courthouses! This president has lied over 21 different times … you can google them and hear each lie in his own voice! If I already wasn’t a Christian, after hearing him lie almost every time he opens his mouth … What example is he giving? If it’s a sin to tell a lie … our so-called Christian politicians don’t practice what you preach to us common folk. The silence from the pulpit each Sunday is deafening!!!

Allison
8 years ago

Oops….”govern them,” not “governor.”

Rhonda Rumney
8 years ago
Reply to  Allison

If a teacher is charged to do all these things, God Bless her. Please allow her at least a moment to pray; she needs support! If that is where she is garnering her strength to get her through her day, isn’t it worth it?

Allison
8 years ago

I have seen a number of comments here pertaining to the separation of church and state issue. But I would like to point out for those of you ignorant on the issue that the separation of church and state is about keeping government from mandating or restricting freedom of religion, to keep government out of religion not religion out of government, or state, or schools, or any other place.I think there are all together too many people in this country who are truly ignorant about the laws that supposedly governor. Many of them as we know them today have been perverted from their original purpose. I highly recommend that every American reads and understands the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and their state constitutions, as well. Otherwise you are at the mercy of whatever the liberal media, most of which are in the pockets of the politicians, choose to tell you. An uninformed public is one that is easily dominated.

wjra
8 years ago
Reply to  Allison

All media are in the hands of politicians. You were on point until your bias came through.

wjra
8 years ago

*pray

wjra
8 years ago

It should not be the teachers responsibility to parent these kids. That, in my view is the “root” issue here… a core break down of fundamental social cornerstones for MANY dynamic reasons. The fact that teachers have been wrongly burdened (and underpaid) with being parents to 50 kids is not linked to whether a teacher can prey. If she or anyone else feels they need to prey to get through a tough work day, or for the kids that face troubled lives or unfortunate times then, she is free to do so, or am I missing the point?

wjra
8 years ago
Reply to  wjra

*pray

Justin Porter
8 years ago

This would have been significantly more impactful and helpful to teachers everywhere if this email would have ended at “at a starting salary that qualifies me for food stamps”. When she chose to make it a platform for prayer in school instead of better pay for teachers, this post became an irrelevant and irresponsible “bait and switch”. Does she really believe God would prefer that she legally spoke to him during school hours instead of using her voice to help spark national reform in pay for educators? I mean really. C’mon…

NeoCon_1
8 years ago
Reply to  Justin Porter

Yo, that was the whole idea. She is facing a mountain of issues and is expected to do it on her own..? Lincoln said, as he faced the nation tearing itself apart, that he could deal with the task with God’s help and could not fail, or he could do so without God’s help, and hence could not succeed. And that, dear short sighted Justin (and will go out on a very short limb here and say “liberal Justin”) is her entire point.

Justin Porter
8 years ago
Reply to  NeoCon_1

It’s about priorities my dear simple fellow conservative friend.

Joel Inman
8 years ago
Reply to  Justin Porter

I provide anesthesia for all kinds of surgeries in a large level 1 trauma center and I am asked to pray with my patients occasionally, which I am proud to do because I am a dedicated Christian. I need God’s help as much as anyone, especially the men and women that run this country in DC. Her point Justin, is that prayer should not be illegal in the USA, which is what our founding fathers wanted in the first place. All things being equal, who would you choose to do your anesthetic, a Christian or an atheist?

Justin Porter
8 years ago
Reply to  Joel Inman

I’d choose the person with the best education in anesthetics. What an absurd rebuttal. God doesn’t care if prayer is legal or not. He’s there waiting to hear from you but your too busy complaining about the law in earth. If Jesus were here, would he campaign to have the law changed so you could talk to Him? No. Would he stand by teachers who were in dire financial need and rally to increase their pay? Yes.

It’s just common sense.

Tony Ray
8 years ago
Reply to  Justin Porter

That is correct, Justin. You get more from God. Much more. When your last day comes, that check is worthless. Your relationship with God will mean everything.

Justin Porter
8 years ago
Reply to  Tony Ray

So you are saying God’s plan for teachers is poverty, welfare and food stamps? Ok. We definitely aren’t talking about the same God my precious angel.

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