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Vote NO on Prop 1 in New York, a Trojan Horse for Government Overreach | Bobbie Anne Cox

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BFA Podcast EP 318 | Bobbie Anne Cox

In this episode of Better for America, Rebecca Weber speaks with constitutional attorney Bobbie Anne Cox about the dangers of New York’s Proposition 1. According to Cox, this ballot initiative is presented as a way to protect against discrimination, but actually grants excessive government power and undermines parental rights. She explains how the vague language of the proposal could lead to conflicting rights among groups, and open the door to lawsuits across the state. “When this occurs, who gets their rights upheld when they conflict?” Cox also highlights the risk of non-citizens demanding equal rights under this measure, potentially receiving taxpayer-funded benefits and even voting rights. She describes it as a “Trojan horse” for government overreach and reverse discrimination, as the government would be legally allowed to discriminate in the name of preventing past or future discrimination. Cox stresses that Proposition 1 is not about abortion rights, despite the misleading claims from New York politicians, and she urges voters to educate themselves and vote NO to protect their freedoms.

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Bobbie Anne Cox: The government, if this passes, the government will be allowed to discriminate against you as long as they’re doing it in the name of reversing past discrimination or trying to prevent future discrimination. The language says you can’t discriminate based on gender expression. Okay so now whose rights are more protected?

Are girls and women’s rights to have privacy in bathrooms and locker rooms and dormitories and showers and prisons and anything that’s single sex is now going to come under scrutiny. What they’ve put on the ballot is a two sentence summary. The summary of what this actual change to our constitution would say in doing that, if they only, they break it down into two sentences in doing that, they leave out other details.

They leave out an entire paragraph.

Rebecca Weber: Hello, everyone. I’m Rebecca Weber. Today, we have a very special guest, Bobbie Anne Cox. She is a constitutional law attorney, and she has been fighting tirelessly to protect our constitutional freedoms. Bobbie Anne recently took on the state of New York and is suing the legislature for improperly putting Proposition 1 on the New York ballot.

Now, if you live in the state of New York, I implore you to stay with us so that you can better Be informed about this dangerous and deceptive proposal. This is indeed a Trojan horse of epic proportions. Bobbie Anne, welcome to Better for America. It’s great to have you with me. Yes, thanks for having me today.

I really appreciate it. Bobbie Anne, you’ve dedicated years of your career to defending individual rights and standing up to government overreach, and you’ve described Proposition 1 as a Trojan horse for government overreach. Now, for those unfamiliar, can you explain what Proposition 1 is and how it subtly grants the government more power?

While limiting individual freedoms.

Bobbie Anne Cox: Yeah, absolutely. So this is a proposed change to our constitution. So New Yorkers are going to be voting on this either later this month if they’re doing early voting or on November 5th, which is election day. And if you don’t see it at the bottom of your ballot, you’re going to flip it over and it’ll be on the back of your ballot.

And it’s called proposal number 1. But it sounds really nice when you read the language that’s on the ballot. they’ve put on the ballot not the actual language that would go into the Constitution if this passes. Unfortunately, you don’t even get to see that language on your ballot. What they’ve put on the ballot is a two sentence summary of what they think would be the summary of what this could mean.

Actual change to our constitution would say in doing that, if they only they break it down into two sentences in doing that, they leave out other details. They leave out an entire paragraph of what would actually go into our constitution. New Yorkers are reading only part of the story when they look at that language on their ballot.

And it sounds good because they say, protect against unequal treatment, vote yes, and you will put these protections into the constitution, vote no, and these constitutional protections will not be added into the constitution. Of course, most New Yorkers are going to say, yeah, I should vote for this.

Of course, we want everyone to be treated equally. But when you look at the actual language that would be going into our constitution, that they want to change our constitution and put in protections that we never intended to have in there and protections that are already covered under our laws here in New York state.

And I’m happy to give some details on the actual language. our current constitution says you can’t discriminate against somebody based on their race, religion, creed, or color. What they want to add now is that you also can’t discriminate against somebody based on their age, disability, national origin, ethnicity.

Sex, which includes sexual identity gender expression, gender identity pregnancy, outcomes, pregnancy, health care and autonomy. There is a list of a dozen new classes that they want to add into the constitution. But what happens when you have such broad language? Is that you’re going to see these protected classes old and new pitted against one another.

And there’s going to become a mad case. We’re going to see losses popping up all over this state because you’re going to see these classes saying who’s more protected. It is a parent’s right to raise their child because you do have a constitutional right to raise your children in this country.

It is, it’s not wording in our federal constitution, but SCOTUS has ruled many times that parents do have a constitutional right to raise their children, not the government. So whose rights are more protected? Is it the parents rights are more protected or the children’s rights? Because this language would basically give children of any age the ability to make their own decisions and without parental consent, without parental guidance what is it going to do if you can’t discriminate based on age to our senior citizens who receive specific benefits because they are senior citizens?

So now that’s going to come become challenged. They’re going to say you can’t discriminate based on age. So how come the senior citizens are getting these special perks and benefits? Why don’t the rest of us get all the same perks and benefits that the seniors are getting? And then that will detract.

From what our seniors, it certainly will are receiving as assistance. The language says you can’t discriminate based on gender expression. Okay so now whose rights are more protected are girls and women’s rights to have privacy in bathrooms and locker rooms and dormitories and showers and prisons and, anything that’s single sex is now going to come under scrutiny and they’re gonna say, is it a woman’s right? Is a woman’s right more important than a trans person’s rights? Who gets to have their rights upheld in a situation where a biological male wants to use the women’s locker room or wants to go to an all girls school. And it works both ways.

What happens to all boys schools that we have here in New York state now, all of a sudden. Do women that want to identify as a man get to go to those schools?

Rebecca Weber: This is not an equal rights amendment. Clearly it’s what they’re how they’re pitching it But it’s certainly not and a lot of people are concerned that if prop one passes that this could be a lead in to illegals voting in our elections can you elaborate a little bit more there how it might reshape the governance in New York, especially regarding non citizen rights and access to taxpayer funded programs?

Bobbie Anne Cox: Absolutely. That is a huge problem, too, with this language. If you can’t discriminate against somebody based on their, it says, ethnicity and national origin that means national origin means the place where you came from outside the United States, right? It’s a country other than our country. So now you will see non citizens in New York State having a constitutional right to demand And equality with everything that citizens are allowed to do and receive.

That could be things like, taxpayer funded benefits whether that’s, the right to, let’s say, subsidized health care subsidized housing welfare benefits Medicaid. Medicare, those types of things are things that citizens receive the right to vote, our sacred right to vote, to decide who’s going to be running our government, who’s going to make our laws.

Who is going to be enforcing our laws? That right to vote is how the people control the government. It’s how the people speak through the government. Now, if you have this language in our constitution, that opens the door for people that are not from our country, whether they’re here legally or illegally, it doesn’t really matter.

They’re just going to be protected under national origin. And that opens the door for them to argue, Hey, look, we should have the right to vote too. and so we are now seeing the complete breakdown of our autonomy you

Rebecca Weber: know, absolutely. And it leads to legalizing reverse discrimination in a sense.

Bobbie Anne Cox: That’s almost what you’re describing. Paragraph B, which is the part of this proposed amendment that you see nothing of on the ballot. Part B is not referenced on the ballot. Part B is not included in the summary on the ballot. Part B basically says that the government, if this passes, The government will be allowed to discriminate against you as long as they’re doing it in the name of reversing past discrimination or trying to prevent future discrimination.

So it opens the door to allowing our government. To discriminate, and it would be legal, meaning if they pass a law, or they make a regulation, or they make a rule, and it’s discriminatory against you as an individual, or you as a class, whatever the class you belong to, they’ll be able to point to the constitution and say I’m sorry.

now it’s legal. We’re allowed to do this because we are protecting a class that used to be discriminated against. So yeah, you’re right. This would, if it passes, this would basically legalize what people refer to as reverse discrimination.

Rebecca Weber: Yes, it really does. It opens the door to, future radical bills that would destroy parental oversight, involvement in your children’s education and medical decisions.

Bobbie and Kathy Holkel and the Democrats, they’re attempting to define this constitutional amendment as being all about abortion. But that’s a lie. It, New York already allows abortion until the end of the ninth month.

Bobbie Anne Cox: Yes. You have hit the head, hit the nail on the head. This is not a lie.

An abortion amendment. like you said Kathy Hochul, the politicians in Albany, they are pushing this so hard and they are saying if you want to protect your right to an abortion, you have to vote yes on this proposal. First of all, the word abortion appears nowhere in the language. It doesn’t appear on the ballot language, and it also doesn’t appear in the language that would actually go into our constitution.

That’s the first thing. Second thing. Abortion, as you noted, has been protected in New York state for over 50 years. It’s codified in our laws. And 3rd, abortion is not under attack in this state. Nobody is trying to get rid of it. And I’m sure never would, because that’s not what the people of New York want.

So that is really just a smoke screen. I believe it’s a way for them to drive their voter base out and try and get them to come out and vote. Because. if you look at what’s going on in our communities today. they really can’t motivate their voter base to get out and vote because, the economy is shot people don’t feel safe walking down the street people can’t afford, gas and rent and, so they’re looking to this abortion poll to try to get people out to vote.

Now, I actually did a comparison of the language that New York is using in our proposed amendment. And I looked at other states around the country that are also putting on their ballots an amendment to amend their constitution to include abortion as a right. And when you look at those other states and the language that they’re using on their proposals, it clearly says you have the right to an abortion.

And here are the parameters. New York’s doesn’t say that at all. New York’s language doesn’t give a right. To an abortion, it doesn’t even use the word abortion, and it doesn’t use the word right. All it says is you can’t be discriminated against based on these, 12 new categories and ethnicity, national origin, sex, age, disability.

Those have nothing to do with abortion. Absolutely. They’re not giving you the whole story. They really are deceiving the New York voters, and it’s because they don’t want you to take the time to do the homework.

Rebecca Weber: That’s right. And it is so important that people listening, that you tell your friends, your family, your neighbors, you’ve got to say, vote no for Proposition 1.

This is going to hurt. It’s going to tear at the fabric of New York. We are already going in such a bad direction. This will make things exponentially worse. Tell us a little bit about where you’re at with fighting back. You won at the trial court level. It was appealed and then reversed. Where do you see this heading with the work you’re doing?

Bobbie Anne Cox: Yeah, unfortunately our legal battle is not going to be able to excel. It’s not going to be able to go any further. Like you said, we did win at the trial court level back in the spring. This proposal was removed from the ballot at that time. Unfortunately, Leticia James, the attorney general here in New York appealed.

It went up to the appellate court reversed, not on the merits, I have to say they reversed and threw the case out on a technicality, which really was untrue. But we did try to appeal this case to the highest court in New York State. Unfortunately, the court didn’t want to take the case.

And therefore we are now stuck with proposal one on the ballot and you’re definitely the ballots are already printed and out. I’ve been talking to people who have been doing the mail voting and, the ballots are already printed. They’re not going to change at this point. So now the really the effort has to be in educating New Yorkers that, this is not about abortion is not under threat in New York.

This is about an agenda of really putting, I would say, every class possible into the constitution and what it would do is flip our norms upside down. There will be a tremendous. Tremendous weakening of parental rights. If this passes it’s already happening. These things are, if people are wondering, these things are already happening in New York last year, the New York State Department of education issued a guidance booklet and it tells schools.

How they are supposed to deal with a student that wants to change their gender or, transition or even just is thinking about it, exploring it. And that guidance issued by the state of New York says, you are not allowed to tell the parent what’s going on with the student at school. It literally is driving a wedge.

Between the parent and the child. Now, that’s completely unconstitutional. That guidance but if this prop 1 passes and becomes part of our constitution, that guidance that the state issued will now all of a sudden become constitutional. Because you can’t discriminate against somebody based on age.

So it’s really dangerous. There’s so much behind these words that people don’t understand, and that’s why we’re really trying to get the word out.

Rebecca Weber: You’ve labeled it what it is. It is a Trojan horse of epic proportion of epic proportions. Proposition one is really a terrible deal. It would amend a section 11 of article one of the New York state constitution to include all of these things that are going to result in What we are calling reverse discrimination stripping parents of rights.

There are so many negative intentional consequences I see and people need to know about this. It’ll destroy the integrity of girls sports, erode parental rights extend constitutional rights to illegal aliens. This is just this is just something that every New Yorker must know about.

What. A final message would you like to leave our listeners? What do they need to know about how to better protect themselves against these kinds of bills and legislation? What can average, everyday, ordinary people do to help ensure that our freedoms are not undermined?

Bobbie Anne Cox: Yeah, I really encourage people to not only become informed, but stay informed and then spread that information to your net, your networks, your friends, your family, your neighbors, your coworkers, because the mainstream media does not pick up stories like this.

And a great way to stay informed. We did just put up a website about Prop one. People can get a lot more information if you go to www.votenoonprop1.org, and it’s the number one. So vote www.votenoonprop1.org if you go to that website, you will have a lot of information. You can take the link to that website and share it.

There’s a media page on there that has a lot of articles and even some videos that you can watch. You can read the articles, share those with your networks. For sure, you can tell everybody that you encounter. Please vote. A lot of people are turned off and they’ve lost they’ve lost their confidence in our elections, I feel like, especially in New York.

But if we don’t get out and vote, this thing will pass. And if it passes, it’s going to lead to a lot of just a lot of angst and a lot of stress and a lot of very unhappy New Yorkers whose rights are now being attacked by the government. So I really stress that people try to encourage everybody to get out and vote.

Even if you don’t like the politicians that are on the ballot, and you just want to vote no on Prop 1, we have to all participate because if we just throw our hands up in the air and say, oh, I don’t want to deal with it, it’s crazy. I don’t want to hear it. If we do that, this thing is going to pass and we’re going to have some really dire consequences as a result.

Rebecca Weber: Yes this is such an important message, and I thank you so much for joining me. To all of you out there listening, be sure to stand up November 5th, vote no to Proposition 1. Help us save girls sports. Every single common sense New Yorker must vote no on Proposition 1 on November 5th. Or vote early if you can.

This is so important. Share this video with friends and family, neighbors, your loved ones. Be sure to stay informed. Bobbie Anne Cox, thank you again for joining me today. Yes. Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. And thank you for all you’re doing really to save our nation and to help each and every one of us protecting our rights.

God bless you. And we look forward to having you back with us again soon. Thank you. And to all of you out there listening, thank you so much for tuning in. Be sure to renew or join AMAC. Go to amac.us check out our incredible member benefits. Don’t forget, you’ll get that incredible magazine delivered right to your mailbox.

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Steve Scroggins
Steve Scroggins
2 months ago

One has to wonder what is gained in this overreach by our government, which supposed to be of the people, for the people and by the people. It cannot be in anyone’s best to take over children and young people’s lives other than the debauched minds of people. A person with this mindset is no better than those who made the German youth puppets of the govt during WW2. Reminds me of Romans chapter 1. In case you haven’t read that, God turned or allowed them to have what they asked for and it ends in destruction. People don’t want to hear anything about God nowadays but the end is not going to be pleasurable.

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