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Watch: Employees in Pennsylvania Company Learn of Increased Health Costs Due to Obamacare

A local news station brings viewers inside one Pennsylvania company as the employees there learn about their new health care plans under Obamacare:

“Look at the numbers,” says the reporter of two employees. “Jeff and Dave used to have a $1,250 deductible. Since Obamacare went into effect, it’s now jumped 60 percent to $2,000. That’s nothing compared to Brian, Kristi, and Judy who have kids. they are going to pay twice that, four grand.” The reporter adds that co-pays are being increased, too.

“I don’t know how President Obama thinks he’s helping us because we can’t afford this, we can’t afford to pay these co-pays, to pay these deductibles on what we’re making,” says one of the workers.

Another worker adds, “They call it the affordable health plan. There’s nothing affordable about it. I can’t afford it.”

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Ray
7 years ago

I am a 52 year old male and a diabetic. I can only imagine what my insurance will cost. Over $1500 monthly and a $4000 deductible. Is it really health insurance or are we being but into a model of pre paid healthcare with a use it or loose it clause. As i work in the healthcare industry as a provider of diagnostics, i see every day people declining needed healthcare because the deductibles are cost prohibitive. So in short we will become a sicker society. Insurance companies will become fat cats and doctors will leave medicine because the decline in office visits will decrease to a point of not being able to keep the doors open. Great thinking in the middle of a recession, raise prices of healthcare beyond the cost of being affordable. Hey lets increase the taxes again too

Donald Tobias
7 years ago

The problem is we have a for-profit health care system that is largely provided through employers. It is crippling American businesses and bankrupting us a society. Capitalism is the most effective economic engine the world has ever known, but it is based upon greed and needs to be tempered with a heavy dose of Socialism in order for it to work in a civilized society. Health care and education are necessities for a productive and thriving society and should not be profit driven.

cmr
7 years ago
Reply to  Donald Tobias

It is more than obvious you know next to nothing about economics. Employers before Obama care were able to keep the cost of health care down because the insurance companies were forced to keep the cost of plans down as they had to compete with other health insurance providers. They could than use these profits in the form of bonuses and raises for their employees. While we are at it raising the minimum wage will also mean many good employees who deserved a raise will not be getting it because the payroll set aside for their raises will now go to those who are not as productive. If you think it is hard signing the back of your payroll check you should try signing the front of a payroll check

The Obama Administration has spent over a billion dollars just to get the web-site up and running, (oops did I say running). Remember all this was done for the 30 thousand people who could not get health care. You and Obama have a lot in common as you are both idiots.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  cmr

Yes CMR you keep looking out for those corporations, because they are NOT looking out for you. Moron.

chris
7 years ago
Reply to  Roger

You must be a broke a** little b****. Why don’t you just move to Russia with your idol Putin.

Tom
7 years ago
Reply to  Donald Tobias

To Donald Tobias,

When you have no idea how insurance works you shouldn’t talk. The insurance companies are super regulated at the state level and most companies work on about a 5% profit margin. There profit might look large in dollars, but it doesn’t take long to go thru the 5% when claims out do there projections. Socialism has never done anything but hurt the little guy and line the pockets of the ruling class.

Shadow Catcher
7 years ago

I haven’t read the majority of comments posted here, so I apologize if this issue has already been raised. The question I really wanted the reporter to ask the employees was if they voted for Obama.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Shadow Catcher

What does it matter? They voted for the Republican governor who blocked the healthcare from being implemented in their state. Most of these people probably qualified for the Medicaid expansion. They have no access to a state exchange and the owners are Republicans to make a point and use their employees as guinea pigs. It was a flawed report and the news did not do research on the subject to find the loopholes in the argument.

Marie Jones
7 years ago
Reply to  Shadow Catcher

I do not doubt this story at all, we are in NC and I know my daughters just went sky high. But, I believe PA was one of the states that voted Obama in sooooooo……..

Cochisa Kracker
7 years ago

This is a staged piece of BS by the anti-AARP crackers. LOL. The acting sucks. As does your organization.
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Scott
7 years ago

Maybe “the acting sucks” because they aren’t actors?

Tom
7 years ago

I believe the story. My mother is 83 and she has not had to pay any deductibles or anything . Until this year. Now she has to pay 4500 a year. Plus they take over $100 out of her check each month before she gets it. So now she actually has to pay over $5000 a year. That is almost half of what she gets. The system in place now is way more screwed up then it was.

Jimbob
7 years ago

It’s a real story from WTAE in Pittsburgh

ironhead
7 years ago

Denial is not just a river in Africa.

Here is my situation: My health insurance went from $363.00 to $850 per month. This is with $10,000 deductible. Spouse and one child. I can’t afford it. Since my company offers insurance, I can not go to Obamacare. I can not afford rent. So, I am going to quit my job and find a couple, maybe 3, part time jobs just to get by. Then I can go on Obamacare. Or maybe just live in our 2 old cars. I have no credit cards and just a little debt. If I live, with my family, in my cars I probably can get by since I wont have to pay for power, water, garbage, etc.

At the same time the price went up on my insurance, I lost my doctor. I now have to drive 100 miles round trip to go to a different doctor. I have to take a day off work due to the hassle. I can not afford to do that.

I was considering divorce as then my wife and son can go on Obamacare. That would save us about the price of the increase. I have heard of other people doing this.

Obamacare was a huge gimme to the insurance companies. Imagine you have a business that people are required by law to buy from you. And the gov backs you up for a lot of the costs. With a major illness the gov pays after $45,000.00 up to $245,000.00 after which the insurance co is again liable. Good deal for big business. Obama said he was for the little guy. I am the little guy. It certainly looks like he is not for me. He is putting me out on the street.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  ironhead

Ironhead if you are that poor, you would qualify for medicaid expansion unless your Republican governor of your state blocked that. Did he or she? If so then you are screwed, just hope you did not vote for that governor. Also there are many exceptions in the law according to the IRS, you will not be fined as there are so many exceptions that I am sure you qualify for one of them.

Realdoc
6 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Roger, you are kind of a one-track person. Everything has to be the fault of the Republicans and everyone who cannot afford the increases in their premium would, according to you, be eligible for Medicaid. No, not everybody is eligible for Medicaid. And even if they are, many doctors are not accepting Medicaid because they cannot pay their bills on what Medicaid pays. The only ones who can afford to accept Medicaid are those who run their patients thru like cattle or fraudulently bill Medicaid for things they did not do. If I accepted every Medicaid patient, I would have to close my doors. My overhead for my practice is over $100,000 every month. This is not because I have an extravagant practice. It is because of the cost of technology, electronic medical records, the cost of having well trained staff, medications, etc. One injection that I use to treat macular degeneration costs ME $2,000 per injection. So the long and short of it is that Obamacare is helping some people but hurting many more. Even for those it is helping, it is not that much of a help as they are having a hard time finding a doctor that will take their insurance, not because the doctors are mean and uncaring but because if they do, they won’t be able to stay in business.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  ironhead

Also you are one of the few that actually “knew” his doctor, if he or she knew you by name, most don’t even have one.

Tom
7 years ago

A small company like this one is not required to cover employees. Nothing in the Affordable Care Act mandates an “increase” in either premiums or deductibles. I am guessing they had a barebones minimal project before. They now have real insurance. What people forget is that if you were 30 and purchased health insurance it only had to cover you until you were 31. The insurance company could drop you if you developed any serious chronic illness. Now that some company has to insure you until you are 64. This will raise premiums for younger people since they present a different risk profile. However what value is insurance if they can drop you when your sick.

pappy
7 years ago
Reply to  Tom

So, Tom. If I can only afford to drive a 20 year old toyota and O decides everyone needs to drive a 5 year old car because it is safer but doesn’t help me pay for it then I am kinda up the creek huh Tom? And then O tells those who drive better cars have to pay a penalty because they have worked hard enough to afford a safer car already. PLEASE stay out of our lives.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  pappy

Yes Pappy because human life is exactly like cars….give me a break… bad analogy.

Fishdog
7 years ago
Reply to  Tom

Tom: You’re right that the ACA does not require increases…it just raises costs so much that the market prices increase. And you liberals always have the same answer…all you people who got increases were too dumb to know any better so us really, really smart people had to increase your costs to help you against your will. What a crock of [email protected]^! you’re pushing.

And many small companies that are not required to offer health insurance will drop it due to the added hassles of the ACA.

Kathy
7 years ago
Reply to  Tom

You must be one of those people who isn’t working and getting everything for being lazy and maybe you keep having babies for more freebies taken from the hard working American people so it is easy for you to say that. You must me a socialist or communist. Go live in Russia and see how they are fairing.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Kathy

Stop comparing Russia to real socialism. You do realize we practice socialism here in this country right? The road you drive on, libraries, public schools, museums, police, fire, trash pickup, park maintance etc.

Yes people LOVe living in poor conditions and wondering what they will eat tomorrow. They love working for minimum wage and having to utilize social services because the company they work for choose to subsidize the taxpayers because they don’t want to pay them a livable wage.

the wealthy have you attacking the lower class because they are feeding into your greed. Why not attack upward where the problem lies with the wealthy who cause this situation to begin with.

Realdoc
6 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Gee, let’s see. People live in poor conditions and wonder what they will eat tomorrow. First they get government subsidized housing which can be good or bad depending on where they are located. Most start out good but because the people living there don’t care to keep it up, it becomes a hell-hole. With so many on foodstamps, I doubt anyone wonders what they will eat tomorrow except if it will be steak or chicken. I see these people checking out at the grocery store with lots of good food in their carts and paying for it with their EBT cards. So no, they are not starving. Our country has made it so easy to get food stamps, almost anyone can qualify. Less than 5% of hourly workers make the minimum wage and most of those are young people just starting out. Half of the people earning the minimum wage or less were under 25 years of age. The fallacy that most people believe is that those people earning the minimum wage stay the same. That is completely false. They start out at the minimum wage and if they work hard and are productive, they get raises. If you raise the minimum wage too much, then a lot of people will find out what the true minimum wage is: $0.00 when they become unemployed. If I have an employee that has a productivity of only $8.00 per hour but they make me pay him/her $10 per hour, I will have to let that person go as I will lose money for every hour they work. Unfortunately, it is simple economics. And my business is highly regulates so I cannot just increase my revenue. The government controls a lot of it thru what they pay for Medicare and many commercial insurances follow Medicare.

art
7 years ago
Reply to  Tom

I am a small business consultant, and even though the don’t HAVE TO cover employees, the are loyal to these people and want to do the right thing. So they offer the only thing they are able to legally, and then the employees can look at the exchange. An this is similar, so there is no OUT here, people are paying more. My premium is up $2000 and my deductible is up $4500 because I am an underemployed old fart. This is a TAX as the Supreme Court determined, and is 10% of my GROSS income and 50% of my net from my business. So I just got a 50% tax increase. People don’t need to stage this it’s real. Why is everyone in DC that works for the govt getting help and the working people like me are hosed. Tom I hope you are young enough to have to live with this for the next 50 years and to see what a 17 trillion debt will cost the next several generations in quality of life. This is only the start.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  art

So Art were you complaining when most of that deficit was incurred from two unwarranted wars and a Medical Prescription drug plan that was not paid for in the early 2000’s? Yea I think not, take those off the deficit and the deficit is not so bad. But Fox News didn’t say it so it can’t be true. SMH

Jimbob
7 years ago
Reply to  Tom

Insurance companies could refuse to cover ore pre existing conditions but they can’t drop you for being sick.

Cathy
7 years ago
Reply to  Tom

What good is insurance if you can’t afford it? I went on the Obama website to see what plans were available in PA. If almost fell out of my chair when I saw the cost of these plans. I would never meet the deductible, so it wouldn’t even pay me to have insurance. Many people will be in the same boat. By the time you pay the monthly premium and the deductible, you would be better off without the insurance.

What right does the government have to tell us what we should have in our insurance policies? My daughter has pediatric dental, and she is 55 years old. Her daughter is 22. This is what happens when insanity sets in. Obamacare is a disaster, and it will destroy the healthcare in this country. It isn’t even a law anymore since Obama has made over 27 changes to it. He doesn’t have the authority to change a law passed by Congress (Democrats only). He has overstepped his bounds.

jesse james
7 years ago

Thank you PA for leading the way for the Great Black Hope to ruin our health care system. PA was a big victory for the Democrats and you must reap what you sewed. My health insurance was cancelled right away because I’m self-employed and the black bastard hates me. I’m a 1%er and he is trying to get in my pockets anyway he can to pay for his “constituents” who are getting any and all the free perks available to them for NOT working. This ACA is complete BS.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  jesse james

States that voted for a Republican governor, these same winners blocked the ACA and the medicaid expansion from being implemented in their state, Obama had nothing to with that. Yes elections have consequences and these people are seeing first hand and are now suffering because of these governors.

Also I guarantee you are no 1%er and you would not even need healthcare because you would just pay out of pocket. My guess is you do not really know what a 1%er is worth and I guarantee you are no billionaire.

Cathy
7 years ago
Reply to  Roger

I live in PA, and the governor proposed an alternate plan to the Medicaid expansion. He sent it to HHS to be approved, and to this day, I don’t believe he has received approval. The Federal government tells the states that they will pay for the expansion, but the Feds are broke, and one of these days these funds will dry up. Then the taxpayers of the states will be left holding the bag. That’s why many of them did not enter into the expansion. The Supreme Court gave them that right

Also, many of you may not know this, but if you are on Medicaid and die, the government can come after your estate and heirs to collect some of the funds you received. It used to be only if you were in a nursing home, but that has now been expanded. This would be done through the states. Washington State has already passed a law against this, but it is only of the few.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Cathy

@Cathy

I am sorry but you are incorrect, the government is paying for the first 3 years at a 100% of the costs, after that it is 90%. The reason why your governor did not accept the plan was because he either benefits from the insurance companies in his state charging more or it is for political reasons which he is wanting to run for higher office so he is pandering to his base for the nomination. The government is not broke as you might have been told.

Also the medicaid recovery has been around of rover 20 years, way before the ACA. I suggest you educate yourself on how it works before you believe some right wing talk show host.

factcheck.org/2014/01/medicaid-estate-recovery-program/

laura
7 years ago
Reply to  Roger

You talk abiut the govirnment “paying”….. The government is not a “for profit agency” WE ARE PAYING, WHEN YOU ALL GET THAT THINGS WILL GET BETTER UNTIL THEN THE HOLE GETS DEEPER….

Realdoc
6 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Again, Roger, you show your ignorance. a 1%er is someone who makes over $350,000. It is not a billionaire

Dave
7 years ago

This “story” doesn’t add up. It’s a hit job. Both the body shop owner and the Broker are Republicans who told an attractive story to a very lazy reporter at WTAE-TV Those uneducated employees are duped.

If the premiums have gone up so much under the coverage provided by an insurance broker, why haven’t those employees gone out on the exchanges? I doubt these folks are make more than $70,000 and ineligible for available subsidies. And here is your answer from a letter to the reporter:

Hi Wendy,

I saw a clip of your visit to Simonetta’s and I am concerned that the employees of this company are not being given correct information about what their health-care insurance costs should be.

Small-business health insurance is available through the ACA on-line exchange, and while I don’t know the particulars of this business, here is an example of what is available:

For a company of 20 people, there is a policy called Small Business Advantage Premium Platinum 40. It features $0 deductible, $1,000/2,000 out-of-pocket maximum, $10 primary doctor co-pay and $8 generic prescriptions. The cost for 20 employees is $8,276 per month, or $414 per person. This figure doesn’t count dependents, but children don’t cost much to insure.

Here is a link to the page on healthcare.gov that has this information on it: (you can easily go to the site and search for plans yourself, and I’d be happy to assist you in doing that as well)

https://www.healthcare.gov/

How can Judy in your video clip be forced to pay $1,316 for herself and one child? That’s just not right. Even without a subsidy, on the ACA exchange, Judy can get a Platinum policy, with $500/1,000 deductible and 1,650/3,300 out-of-pocket max, for $725 per month. And because Judy’s company plan premium is certainly more than 9.5% of her income, she most likely will be able to get a subsidy on the exchange.

I don’t know if your are familiar with the complexities of the Affordable Care Act and the exchanges, but I am, and something just smells wrong about this. I am very suspicious of the broker, and, as I stated above, am concerned that the employees of this company are not getting a fair shake.

They obviously don’t know anything about what might be available to them as an alternative to their broker’s offering.

I would be happy to discuss this issue with you, and perhaps help you understand better what options might be available to these people.

I’m bringing this to you first because you ran the story and I hope you feel a sense of responsibility to help these people if you can. If you’re not interested, I will certainly reach out to Gary Simonetta.

I look forward to hearing from you soon so we can work on helping these people.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Dave you sire have the winning post!! Good job and let me know if you hear anything back from them, hopefully you will, but I am leaning on the fact you will not sadly. Because it will contradict what they reported and show the false story they portrayed.

Justwant2bme
7 years ago

As more becomes known about this Mess ( ACA ) WE fair minded must focus on changing things in NOV 2014 and again NOV 2016…Please don’t let your anger cloud your words or darken your emotions or make you cast blame. This is our country lets restore it .GOD BLESS the USA

Pamela C Fadalla
7 years ago

Mobile, Alabama: BC/BS, high deductible, monthly insurance premium $166.; WHAT DUMB ASS OBAMA’S PLAN DID TO MY INSURANCE COST, went up to $534. a month; I CHECKED INTO AFFORDABLE ACT CARE .. MY COST $564. .. $30. more a month than BC/BS. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU STUPID IDIOTS FOOLING. I despise OBAMA AND EVERYTHING HE STANDS FOR.

cw27
7 years ago

Look at the costs! The fact is many people are now faced with higher premiums, larger deductibles, greater co-pays, and less medical care. Millions who were satisfied with their health insurance had their plans canceled because they didn’t meet the mandates of the ACA. Doctors are being turned into bean counters hunched over their computers, filling out medical forms instead of spending time examining and talking with their patients. Supporters of government-dictated health insurance will endlessly defend it, until THEY are personally affected — shocked by increased costs and/or reduced treatment. Instead of disrupting the entire medical insurance system, the government could have developed a program to assist the small percentage of people who didn’t have insurance. Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster.

da kid
7 years ago

Ha Ha You voted for the Kenyan, and this is just the one of the changes that you voted for. You deserve it.

RICK
7 years ago
Reply to  da kid

All these posts are laughable. This is not a news story people! Amac is a right wing organization funded by the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch and Fox News. If you want to know the truth about the Affordable Care Act, do your own research. Don’t take the easy way out by listening to this garbage.

Concerned boomer
7 years ago
Reply to  RICK

thank you Rick… YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON!! THE EXTREMISTS MUST THINK WE ARE ALL STUPID!! I’m not the smartest and even I can see it when it’s obvious like this site makes it. Wake up people.. The right wing extremists will lie and tell you anything to make you believe everything with Obamacare is bad and they know it isn’t true. Check the facts for yourself and don’t be so quick to believe these people who call themselves Christians. Too many of them are really just bigots who would rather tear down a leader with outright lies than to band together to help each other. It is not even politics people. It is character assassination through lies and more lies.The people running this site will do anything to undermine President Obama. It has turned me permanently against any republican who take part in the extremist position now and in the future. The same goes with the extreme left too. I’m sick of it all.

only_me
7 years ago

I am a low income person whose insurance premium is over 1000 a month with a 700 dollar subsidy and a 12000 dollar deductible. how is this going to help me? I make 1100 a month my deductible is as much as I make so I am paying 300 a month for nothing!!!

Jessica
7 years ago
Reply to  only_me

I have to call BULL SHIT on everything you just said. I don’t believe not ONE WORD OF IT. It’s the lies like this one that just keep fueling people to be scared of change, change that really does help them. If their plan cancelled because of ACA regulations, then the plan sucked. This is a conservative website, and it is all FAKE information and all of you are going to believe this crap. When people care more about fake accusations of “faked birth certificates” and all that garbage then caring about the economy, that makes you part of the problem, not the solution.

Bob M.
7 years ago
Reply to  Jessica

You are a good case for why women should have their birth control paid for them.Women like you shouldn`t be aloud to multiply.

Knowledge
7 years ago
Reply to  Jessica

I have read each of the “comments” relating to this issue and conclude that each of you need to state the following:
Give the city & state you live in since each state has a different set of ACA rules.
Give you personal coverage costs, deductible, and type of plan you have.
Then cast your personal belief after you qualify yourself in the reality of health care.

Just calling anyone a lair and calling something fake without proof just shows how biased you are whether you are liberal or conservative.

STATE YOUR PROOF!!!!!!

Cathy
7 years ago
Reply to  Jessica

I love it when people don’t know what they are talking about. Many people had plans cancelled that they liked with doctors and hospitals they had been with for years. Some of them were cancer patients. I saw their stories on television and listened to their pain when they talked about losing their doctors. Many of the famous hospitals and clinics are not in these plans, and this is where these people were treated.

You are spouting the same crap that Obama did. They couldn’t even get a lousy website to work, because they wanted to do it themselves. Obama spent billions of our dollars and is wrecking the health care system to cover the 15% who did not have insurance, but the Congressional Budget Office said that in the end, there will still be 30 million people without insurance.

I don’t are what kind of website this is, there are stories like these all over the internet and on television. It’s only idiots like you who believe all the drool coming out of Obama’s mouth that keep spouting things you don’t know anything about.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Cathy

@Cathy

Their stories on television?

You do realize all of the people Hannity trotted out there have been debunked as just smear propaganda right?

The 30 million you speak of live in states where the expansion was not allowed by Republican governors in red states that lead the nation in uninsured so yes until THEY allow the expansion, this will happen.

You heard it on the internet so it must be real huh? Seriously how much are the Koch Brothers paying you?

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  only_me

@only_me

Low income? You can get medicaid with the expansion for your state. Cost you nothing.

Wait your Republican governor rejected the expansion of medicaid? Yes that does suck for YOU. Guess next time you will vote to benefit your ecomonic needs, not with your emotions of hate huh?

Gary P
7 years ago

Concerned Boomer,
Please help me understand what a Right Wing Extremist is.

Is someone opposed to Obamacare a Right Wing Extremist?

Is someone who believes in equal rights for all people but believe marriage is between a man and a woman. Gay couples can have a civil union and we all have equal rights.

Is a person apposed to partial birth abortions (3rd trimester abortions) an extremist ?

Is someone who believe in limited small constitutional government an extremist ?

Please help me understand. I am a Constitutionalist. I dislike both the Democrat and Republican Parties.
I am a registered Republican so I can vote in the primaries. I am really somewhere between a conservative and a libertarian.

Pleas ehelp me understand what a Right Wing Republican is ?

thank you

Bob M.
7 years ago
Reply to  Gary P

Libertarianism is what is going to save this country.We have to battle the left,and the right wing establishment,which isn`t a whole lot different then the left.I never thought I`d see the day that the folks in this country that wants a government to uphold the constitution would be called extremist.The left hates the constitution,but sure loves it when they need to plead the 5th.The right wing establishment just care about themselves.Truth be known,they really don`t want to be the majority in Washington.It`s to much work for them.Add the media to this,and there is the problem.Us folks that just want to be left alone,and who are finally speeking up,because we don`t need a nanny,or a program,or a handout.We`re the extremist.

Denny
7 years ago
Reply to  Gary P

You are a right wing extremist…….”small constitutional government” just who decides what is ”constitutional”…..you ? I’ll bet you want it small enough to ”drown it in a bath tub” ? All code words for ”tea bagger”……..

Bob M.
7 years ago
Reply to  Denny

Tea bagger is a sexist remark.Funny how libs can say whatever they want,and it`s ok,but let a conservative say anything,and we are call biggots,raceist,and homophobes.I just want people to be the best that they can be.Hopeing they have enough sense to do it.Libs want people to be what they want them to be.Name me one liberal thing,that has been tried through out the world that has worked.That hasn` been payed for off the backs of the working class,and hasn`t bankrupted the country it was tried in.Maybe George Sorros would love alittle tea bagging from you.Oh damnit there I go being a homophobe again.

just me
7 years ago

You need to change your name to ignorant boomer. You probably watch NBC ABC CNN CBS and think you’re getting the truth. What a moron, just an all grown up, dope smoking hippie from the 60s and 70s. I’m from that era, too, but I know you’re totally uneducated and thus, ignorant. And you probably were easily confused and voted democrat, Like I said, moron.

concerned 61 year old
7 years ago

The way I see it, either you get a good rate, or you get slapped hard. Our 27 year old daughter will get a rate of about $80/month, but she is young and healthy.

For me at 61 and my wife at 57, our premiums go up nearly $400/month to be nearly $12,000 per year for the cheapest plan and a $6000 deductible for each of us or $12,000 for family. We are both in decent health, and I wonder what it would be if we were not. I checked on how much a platinum plan would be…..nearly $24,000/year. How is this affordable for most anyone except members of congress and the truly independent wealthy such as hollywood actors and such.

GOLDIE
7 years ago

AND AARP DOESN’T HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA??? REALLY??? BETTER CHECK IT OUT…………………………THOSE STRINGS ‘ATTACHED’ ARE THEIR ‘ OBAMA PUPPET STRINGS’…………………..WISE UP!!! CHECK OUT THEIR MONEY SOURCE — WHERE IT COMES FROM AND WHERE IT GOES……………………WHICH POLITICAL CANDIDATES THEY FINANCIALLY SUPPORT!!!

Kathy
7 years ago

You must be a socialist. Please move to Russia or Kenya and see how you like it.

Stasia
7 years ago
Reply to  RICK

Rick: So you see that too. These people are like a flock of sheep; feed them any morsel with Obama’s name attached and the opinions start gushing like an active volcano. Not one of the posts claims to have done any research or fact checking on the matter at all. They just blindly rush into blasting Obama because of what someone else tells them. What is also laughable is how they praise and pat each other on the back for their wonderful comments, which merely sound like repetitions of what they read from the posts of the other uninformed Obama bashers. How pathetic.

Imagine the endless amusement this provides the Koch brothers, Murdoch, and Fox.

Kathy
7 years ago
Reply to  RICK

OK, RICK. Tell me/us the good things that will occur with the program. The benifits to the working/bill paying community? how in the long run, it will benifit the masses.
I see some room of people laughing at what will be the inevidable outcome. It will be to their gain, our loss.
Again, tell me what is GOOD about any of the is program. I am listening.

Doug
7 years ago
Reply to  RICK

Rick, do you really want people to do their own research? If so, they will see that the ACA is a job killing, unaffordable (at least for the hard working, tax paying public, not for the lazy, government teat suckers like you) plan that is destroying what was the greatest healthcare in the world! I too encourage everyone to do research, and they will find that you Rick, and your liberal ilk, are completely WRONG! Even the CBO published that the ACA will cost an additional 2 million full-time jobs! How much more proof do you need? Open your eyes, stop watching and believing the BS spewed by MSNBC, an wake up! Obama and his legion of doom are destroying our great country!

Concerned boomer
7 years ago
Reply to  da kid

I don’t believe this interview and I’ll tell you why. First of all, the business does not tell you if they went through the regular insurance company or through the .GOV site for small businesses. Ask your employers people because if they are just diehards Obama haters, they may just stay away from even looking into the insurance.gov site thus keeping their employees from better and cheaper coverage. Please reveal all the facts before you go accusing Obama of anything.

just me
7 years ago

It’s not an interview, it’s a news cast. Are you really as stupid as your posts indicate? No wonder morons like obama, pelosi, reid, schumer, boxer, feinstein, durbin and the rest get reelected. Thanks for nothing, ignorant boomer.

George Bushy
7 years ago
Reply to  da kid

ALL that voted for this Halfbreed, deserve this, and worse for being that STUPID, and *Liberal*. Y’all voted for “CHANGE” . . . . . .NOW you got it !!!

Marsha
7 years ago

Just remember who voted for the ACA..Pelosi, “We have to pass it to know what’s in it” is running for re-election…Personally, I don’t believe anyone just because they are of a particular political party….Let’s wake up and put every idiot out of the House and Senate who voted for this nightmare who is up for re-election….they just went along party lines without checking it out for themselves to see what was best for the folks they represent..if you sign a contract, you are liable even if you didn’t read it…that’s what they all did..let’s say bye bye to them all!

Cathy
7 years ago
Reply to  Marsha

We all know that Nancy Pelosi is dumb as a pile of rocks. She came from a political family in Maryland and married Pelosi who is worth over a $2100 million. He owns some cannery in the islands somewhere, and they pay the workers minimum wages, but good old Nancy chirps away with her botoxed face about with Obamacare, you can stop working and be an artist, etc. I guess those are the 2.5 million jobs that will be lost with Obamacare, but you and I will be paying for that artist, painter, etc. When they receive a subsidy, and their salaries go up, the subsidy goes down. So much for working. Thanks Obama!

John (JJ)
7 years ago

So, you all are worried about what you pay in this life? Hahahahaha! That’s funny! Please remember, all of this will not matter (to you) once you’re DEAD! You’ll not get out of this alive! (<- truth)

Conservative or Liberal is not the matter to be debated here….. just work on living your life and making the best of it. People "in power" (if you really want to call it this) still have to answer for all they have done here, as will all living humans. Just make sure your beliefs are in order before you leave. Yes, you'll have to explain yourselves….. weather you want to believe this or not is strictly a part of your beliefs, as I see it.

Ya know, if you didn't all contribute this this fluster-cluck we call the WEB, it probably would not be a problem. As it stands today (and how I see it), mankind is so gullible. Look at what happened in Germany during WWII. How many blind sheep did he lead to slaughter? What about Napoleon? What, can we not learn from history? Oh, don't know your history…. maybe you need to buy some old (pre 50's) history books (yea paper books!) and start reading.

Now, stop complaining, turn off your computers and go outside and play. Nature doesn't have any problem (yet) like what mankind has created for himself. Let's take care of what we can and let other humans worry about the problems they have created. I'm not worried about any of this, since it will not affect me when I'm gone…… just looking forward to getting off this 3rd rock from the Sun!

Eyes-wide-open since… well, a long time. IT since 86'.
This is the only reply you'll ever see from me, here.
Going outside to play/work (or whatever you want to call it).
I think, therefore I am, I think…..

Stasia
7 years ago
Reply to  John (JJ)

John (JJ): A sane, objective post. Sorry to see you go, but don’t blame you for leaving :)

MikeLorrey
7 years ago

Folks need to see that Obama is intentionally making these costs prohibitive cause he thinks that this will make you beg for nationalized single payer health care by driving you into poverty.

Concerned boomer
7 years ago
Reply to  MikeLorrey

think again Mike Lorrey. The insurance industry are taking advantage of any little loop hole to make an extra buck off those who don’t know the difference .

NoMoneyLeft
7 years ago

MY insurance went up $7,000 per year to keep the same coverage, I now have a plan that doesn’t cover the same and with a higher deductible. Obumer is to blame, not the insurance. As others have stated, he took a system that covers 85% and changed it to cover 15%. I for one am not willing to stand for this!

Kathy
7 years ago
Reply to  MikeLorrey

Why would this be any different that what they did to our retirement. Somebody robbed the STOCK MARKET, deminished the HOUSING MARKET to rubble, taken our incomes to minimum wage. Someone gained from all this. Some fool thinks that by reducung the middle class that it will put more money in their pockets.
Newsflash. If the population is secure and financially stable, we spend money, buy larger homes, buy boats, buy toys…. Give us all that warm fuzzy feeling. Well, enough from me. I just got money loaded to my food stamp card… not going HUNGRY tonight.

James Davis
7 years ago

You pay premiums, all year, and you get sick so you are paying the Deductible all year. At the end of the year you have paid thousands of dollars of premiums, and thousands of dollars for the deductible, and you get it paid by the end of the year. How you start all over, and your Insurance has not had to pay a penny, because you did not get the deductible paid tell the end of the year. Increasing premiums, deductibles and copay and the insurance co.’s are not out a penny. (I need to own an insurance co.)
Jim Davis
An old Marine

HAM
7 years ago
Reply to  James Davis

James Davis: you have hit the nail on the head. If, under Obamacare, you have to pay ALL your expenses why pay a premium all year long to have insurance that is not benefiting you? Why not just put what you would have paid in premiums in a separate savings account then you would have the money when you needed it for health care. Maybe eventually put it in an IRA or Invest it.

Stasia
7 years ago
Reply to  James Davis

Jim, this proves the point I made earlier to HAM (see below), that this site is more about hatred for Obama and less about the ACA. How in the world can you make such an idiotic point about having to pay thousands of dollars all year to cover the deductible, and at the end of the year the insurance company having paid nothing, and blame it on OBAMACARE?! which went into effect only this JANUARY, yes, that’s January of 2014, ONE month and three days ago. Besides, you claim to be a marine, don’t you have coverage through TRICARE??? It is beyond belief the crap you all post here just to feed off of each other about all the hatred you hold inside you. Don’t you know how bad that can be for your HEALTH?

And if anyone else here paid out “thousands” of dollars in deductibles and other health services, are you not aware that medical expenses can be deducted on your Income Tax returns? Clearly, all you know how to do is whine and share your superior knowledge of Obamacare. What an informed bunch you are!

Stasia says:
02/02/2014 at 11:02 pm
Ham, do you have any idea what a doctor’s visit, much less a hospital stay costs? I worked in a hospital for 26 years, and last time I checked, they charged $5.00 for an aspirin. Certain surgeries required A $100,000 DEPOSIT before you even walked through the door. If you had to stay overnight you were lucky to get out with a$10,000 bill. So stop blowing it our your arse.

You talk about paying for healthcare as you needed it. When was that? When office visits cost $3.00 and doctors made house calls? Or do you just show up in the Emergency Room and have the rest of us pay your bill? Not one of you complainants here has mentioned that you don’t HAVE to buy the insurance. Pay the tax and it’s done. Then you can keep on showing up in the Emergency Room that other taxpayers will pay for. So much for you phony compassion. You want to deny healthcare to children and those who can least afford it because you have a beef with Obama. In the long run, everyone’s costs will go down the more people buy and pay for their healthcare.

But judging from your comments, none of this matters. It is all about one thing – you hate Obama, and nothing he will or will not do will change that. Why don’t you just admit that to yourselves and stop playing the victims. Obama is not perfect, and how about you?

tfredleg
7 years ago
Reply to  Stasia

the bottom line is if i dont get it i get a fine, if i do get it i cannot afford it, OBAMA could have VETO the bill knowing that you could not keep the same doctor it was in the bill yet all OBAMA had to do was VETO he didnt, he also knew the system was flawed yet again could have vetod but didnt, so in fact it is obamas fault he did not have to sign a bill he new was flawed

Chip
7 years ago
Reply to  James Davis

Obamacare mandates that insurance companies load at the 85% level for the first year.

The government also mandates that insurance companies directly pay out a minimum of 80% of the money collected.
Add the new administrative costs that Obamacare has added, and the insurance companies are now projected by the rating companies, i.e. Moody’s or Standard and Poors, to reap a maximum profit margin of only 2% en masse.

In other words, anyone who is saying that insurance companies are finding loopholes is an outright liar!

victoria
7 years ago

Nancy, Really words like Socialist? Obama is a self proclaimed socialist. WAKE UP DARLING!!!!

Jerry Hall
7 years ago

Let’s do a followup story and look at the price increases this company’s insurance provider made during the last four years. Where was the media then?

John
7 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Hall

Not sure where you were Jerry but we all seen that expose, hence this president ran on that platform as part of his method to get into office. Now here we sit with a system being funded by all of the people that didn’t want this garbage. For the bulk of us, the lesser of the two evils would be all those previous health care hikes.

Pissed off American
7 years ago
Reply to  Jerry Hall

um it said what the average annual increase before Oscrewyacare right in the begining of the piece..did you even watch it?

Jessica Albright
7 years ago

Well, just because it is called “The Accordable Care Act” does not mean it is affordable for everybody. If you are a typical middle class tax payer who works instead of sitting back collecting welfare, then you can expect to have painful cost increases imposed. But if you are living in poverty, or living on welfare, or living in prison, then you can call your new health insurance affordable. If you are rich, the cost is not really much of a concern.
Remember, “If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it.” is TRUE. Obama never said you would not also have to buy another policy that meets the post-ACA regulations that were written.

Concerned boomer
7 years ago

I am 63 and am NOT on welfare or medicaid. I was laid off of my 20 year job by GE in 2009. Just 9 months shorts of lifetime medical benefits and retirement. My whole dept was laid off not because of performance issues but because of the economy and GE likes to run a lean ship. I resent those who like to keep implying that everyone on ACA is lazy or on welfare etc. IT IS NOT TRUE! I’d like to see Jessica in my position and then see if she has something to say about ACA.
For me , I had to finally stop insurance after cobra and 400 a month payments for basically a check up once a year and 11,500 total out of pocket deductible. Ridiculous when one considers I had one minor pre existing condition. The insurance companies and the GOP tea party extremists are using this situation and will do anything to discredit President Obama’s efforts to help as many Americans as possible in these tough times. Those tea party extremists are poison and are not for anyone except themselves and their agendas which are help the rich get richer and get rid of the people who can’t seem to keep up with them. You’re all assholes in my opinion. I’ve worked my butt off my whole adult life and own my own home and care and have a 401 k and it isn’t enough to take care of myself today. I am selling my home and moving in with my adult son until I figure out what to do next. My pension is small and my SOCSEC is 1284. per month before taxes if there are any. I just started. I’m scared . I’ve developed major depression and panic disorder and now can’t focus to save my life and that scares me too. I’ve always been a very independent person and able to take care of myself but today, I’m not so sure of myself. Being able to get ACA has made it possible to get the help I need and just that in and of itself, makes me feel hopeful for the first time in a long time. I hate to say it but I truely believe that the extreme tea party people don’t care about someone in my situation unless it’s them. I feel like they have become the selfish party who only care about issues concerning big business. Well, big business has put me out of a job. My job along with others left the US. Tell me how much BIG business is helping the average worker in the US? U S businesses have don’t little as a whole to keep us from losing jobs. They are only interested in the bottom line for their big wigs and as a result, the rich get richer and the average get poorer.

Dave
7 years ago

@Concernedboomer — Dude, you are taking everything WAY too personally and getting a little too butt-hurt. If you love ACA that is fantastic that you got what you want. Now get off this site.

You aren’t going to get what you are looking for here (people singing praises to the all mighty Obama), other than maybe a fight. It’s ridiculous. C’mon.

Cathy
7 years ago

Of course you’re scared. I would be, too, but GE very conveniently laid you off nine months before you were eligible to collect your benefits. The big boss at GE is a big donor of Obama’s, so none of them really care about the little guy. If you think Obama cares about you, you are misinformed. He cares about his legacy, and Obamacare was supposed to be part of that. Unfortunately, it has turned out to be a disaster.

We are $17 trillion in debt, and that is growing every day. This country can’t afford that. Where do you think the money is coming from to cover that. One of these days people will stop buying our debt, and everything will come crashing down. Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and the Post Office are all going bankrupt. Obamacare is another government program just like those that I just mentioned.

I am on Medicare and Obama is cutting that program by paying the doctors and hospitals less for us. Eventually none of the doctors will take Medicare if they keep cutting payments, and what will happen to the seniors in this country. He has also set up a board to keep Medicare costs down, so they will not approve procedures for seniors. If you need a hip replacement, you may not get approved for it. As Obama told one person when she asked about a heart problem for her mother, just take a pill.

You people keep listening to the BS that Obama and the Democrats spout about the Tea Party, and you call them names. The Tea Party is made up of citizens like you and me. We are not fat cat politicians. We want to cut spending and have smaller government because this country is headed toward bankruptcy if some changes aren’t made. Obama is afraid of the Tea Party so that’s why he set the IRS on them. Anyone who disagrees with him, gets hit. Dr. Ben Carson, famed pediatric neurosurgeon from Johns Hopkins, disagreed with Obama’s programs, and he got a visit from the IRS. This was the first one ever. We are living under a Gestapo regime, and many of you don’t think the government can take over your lives. Believe me, it can!

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Cathy

“Obamacare” has been wonderful in states that accepted its implementation, even a few red states like Kentucky. But yes it has been a disaster in red states that have rejected it. Sucks to be the people of those states.

Bob M.
7 years ago

Someone needs to explain to liberals the definition of trillion.This country has a 17 trillion dollor debt.60 trillion in unfunded liabilities.For anyone to think the money is never going to run out are kidding themselves.It not so much that some of us don`t want to pay taxes,it`s that we don`t want to see it wasted.Our government spends our money foolishly for no other reason than to buy votes.If you have one politician promising free stuff,and one who says we are broke,and can`t afford all this free stuff.Most of this country unfortunately will vote for the guy promising free stuff.A baby born today is already burdened with 60,000 dollors of debt to the government.None of this will ever sink into a liberals head until the money runs out.We can`t keep printing money,because the more we print the less a dollor buys.It will cost more for food gas,and everything else,for no other reason than the dollor being only worth about 50 cents.If you take every dollor that all the rich have in this country away from them today,it would only pay off one trillion dollors of our debt.It doesn`t take a rocket scientist to figure out that all this is going to come crashing down on us soon.But coming from a party that has no problem with killing the unborn,I`m sure they could care less what they leave behind for the children that they do decide to have.

PostApocalypticWorker
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

This article AND the associated comments is full of distortions, exaggerations, and ridiculous partisan bickering.

Very clearly this website is funded by an ideological hate group. I’ll believe the fact checkers. I will block this feed from my facebook page.

HAM
7 years ago

And you aren’t partisan?

Bob M.
7 years ago

I don`t know what world you live in,but I feel for you.Your probably a college professor.If you know the facts why don`t you enlighten us.I would love to here whats in that brilliant head of yours.Give us the facts,and your sources.I`m curious as to who your fact checkers are.

Herb
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

It’s You’re not “your.” Obliviously you’re not a college professor. Lol.

Jeff
7 years ago
Reply to  Herb

“Obliviously”? Obviously you are not academic either.

victoria
7 years ago

truth hurts so much blocking will fix it! LOL

Scarlet Le May
7 years ago

There is nothing false about this report. My exchange prices are based in NY, NY .I am over 40 years old with one son 15 is $800 to $900 per month with a $8500. deductible foe each of us. This was the middle of the road plan. $45.00 copays. What world are you living in? I am putting my money into savings. Screw this plan.

Sue
7 years ago

The story was run by a TV station. The website just posted it on their site. They didn’t create the story.

Bob M.
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

This atrial has probably created more debate than any since the inception of AMAC.That is a positive thing.Debate leads to solutions.But who is right,and who is wrong will play out in time.We don`t need a fact checker or that.

Bob M.
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

artical

Golden
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

Try again, Bob M…..ARTICLE!

Bob M.
7 years ago
Reply to  Golden

nobody is perfect

redd
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

@Bob M: you made my day with the spelling….

Okay, I am willing to pay the tax penalty. I can not afford the insurance that is offered at my job and pay for car insurance and house insurance and life insurance and food and, and and (you get the point).

My husband was run over by some idiot woman (really, a blond woman driving a PT Cruiser hit my husband!) and she is sueing us for damages to her car!!! We did not have insurance then, had just had a truck repoed and our manufactured home was being repoed too. Hubbs had not worked much in 2012 and less in 2013, I support my family on a min wage job (I have two kids in college) and a temp position as a tax prep. Hubbs had just gotton a steady permenant job and he was run over….then denied insurance and indegent care to pay for the accident by the state even though we qualify for everything money wise. The bills are piling up, the woman is sueing (so she does not have to pay while it is in courts) my husband and the ACA is no wear to be found. According to Obummer my hubbs should just be able to walk into the ER/MD etc and get treated. Yeah, right! No one wanted to touch him with a ten foot pole.

Jay
7 years ago
Reply to  redd

@Redd

Well it appears you live in a state where the ACA was rejected by the Republican governor because the issues you describe says that you are probably under $45K a year and so you would qualify for the Medicaid expansion, BUT if you live in one of those states you DO NOT have that option so you are NOT required to pay any “fine” because you are in that gap of low income uninsured in those red states. That really sucks for you and the irony is you probably voted for that man or woman who decided not to accept the expansion. I’m sorry but elections do have consequences, it is clearly shown in your situation “Obummer” tried to help you, your Governor did not. As far as the lady suing, just file bankruptcy and that will resolve all of your owed bills and that lady suing.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Jay

True Jay!

Stasia
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

Then don’t call the Kettle black.

victoria
7 years ago
Reply to  Golden

Cracking me up spelling means a lot when you have a President ruining your country!!!!Wake up you stupid sheep!

john Rademacher
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

When the opinion of the VOTERS change we might get the the UNITED States of America back. Our government has chose to divide and conquer and it has worked well. They and not The People are in control! Change That and Obama Care will go away by itself through understandable lack of interest!

victoria
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

I like you Bob!

HAM
7 years ago
Reply to  Bob M.

You are right Bob. The Liberals will never understand because they don’t want to. What they are is JEALOUS of people who have worked hard to have more. Those who are resentful about businesses making profits appear to not want to wait as we all have but want everything NOW. What ever happened to “paying your dues”?

mcGillicutty
7 years ago

Blame the tea party for the hodgepodge of private insurance companies that grossly overcharge their subscribers for their healthcare.

UnitedHealth Care group profits for the 4th quarter were $1.43 billion.
That’s just for 3 months.

If Americans had a single-payer system, they would be paying half the cost they have to pay now.

Heather
7 years ago
Reply to  mcGillicutty

Really? You blame the Tea Party, you cannot be serious. Have you read the law, the entire law? I have and it is the worst thing that could have happened to health care. We’re there issues, but this law only compounds the issues. It doesn’t solve the problem, it just creates worse problems. BTW I do have a solution, but no one really wants to solve the problem; they only want to point fingers and place blame.

victoria
7 years ago
Reply to  Heather

true! Blame the tea party and don’t forget Bush Blame him too! No wonder Obama is president. So many dumbasses voted for him!!

Rose74
7 years ago
Reply to  victoria

Not only once but twice….Really if we cannot get together on what is important, our wellbeing, not any party or politician why complaint? You reap what you saw

Tom
7 years ago
Reply to  mcGillicutty

Really? Single payer will also give you half the service. Do your research before you start spouting off about single payer. Why do you think European countries are now trying to find a way out of it.

HAM
7 years ago
Reply to  mcGillicutty

McGillicutty: Liberal posing as a Republican. Why don’t you be honest & change your affiliation to Demorat.

Where do you think insurance companies get the money to pay YOUR insurance CLAIMS huh? If a business doesn’t make a profit they go out of business. Businesses provide jobs, at least they did for me. So why are you so resentful towards.

Democrats do not care about the devastation Obamacare has cussed this country because “the end justifies the means” right? I think everyone who wants single payer need to move to Canada or the UK. You can then experience it first hand. And good riddance also.

HAM
7 years ago
Reply to  HAM

Correction: “caused” not cussed. Sometimes I hate this spelling correction program.

Scarlet Le May
7 years ago
Reply to  HAM

How about Obamacare’s phone number ,Now this is true!!! The ACA number is 1-800-FUCK-YOU.
Try it and see!!

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Scarlet Le May

Scarlett

Fake that is not the number as it leaves out the number 1.

Plus the number has been around since the 90’s.

God your a moron, please don;t reproduce, if you have, do not pass on your idiocy.

snopes.com/politics/medical/phone.asp

responsible for myself not others.
7 years ago
Reply to  mcGillicutty

Bob, You are so correct!

We are not the haters. We base on fact.

United Healthcare is in business to make money.

Mainstream media has brainwashes the Americans public.

Accusing the Tea Party is like blaming George Bush.

Do you people really think Obama is running this country? Get real, the liberal agenda it is so much bigger than him.

Jay
7 years ago

@Responsible for myself and not others

Listen to what you just wrote, United Healthcare is in business to make money, that is the problem, they are in the business to make money, NOT help people.

Mainstream media is not in the business of brainwashing people, they are in the business of making money. Sensationalized stories make money, no matter which side they promote. They are not liberal, they are a corporation who wants to get advertisers, just like the “news” organization who tells you that everyday is in the business to make money. Fox News is in that classification of mainstream media.

Accusing the Tea Party is like blaming Bush? Um NO. Bush started two wars, gave away billions in tax dollars to the upper class, allowed the collapse of the economy, and also disregarded an attack on US soil. The Tea Party manipulates certain voters with their political grandstanding and its disregard for citizens. The Tea Party is run by billionaires and corporations who know what buttons to push on some voters to get them to vote with their emotions, rather then their own financial well being.

Do I think Obama is running the country? NO and YES, but not in the big scheme of things. As long as corporations and the wealthy are allowed to influence our political system, then we will never have full control of our government. Get the money out of politics, then you will get a better government for the actual people.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Jay

Don’t bother Jay they want to believe it and places like Fox News just reiterate what they believe to be true. The only thing you can hope for is if someone comes on here and reads this stuff and uses common sense. Because these people that post on here are lost, probably old so they won’t change, and they will be gone soon. We just have to keep people educated and informed which is all we can do as a nation because the upper class do not want us educated and informed, because they will realize the gig is up.

Cathy
7 years ago
Reply to  Jay

Businesses are in business to make money. Why else would they be in business. If you don’t make money, you don’t stay in business.Try running a business and then you can spout off.

I am sick and tired of people blaming Bush and the Tea Party for all your failures. This country was founded to give everyone an opportunity to succeed. The government has gotten bigger and bigger and handed out more welfare to people than ever before. We are over $17 trillion in debt and one of these days we are going bankrupt. You could take all the money away from the 1%, and it would only cover spending a very short time. I am sick of the freeloaders, and when the bubble bursts, you will be running and crying in the streets like the people in Greece.

Don’t you think Obama is influenced by the wealthy? He spends a lot of time with the Hollywood elite and the fat cats. If you think Obama loves the poor and middle class, you are mistaken. He spends most of his time running around on Air Force One spending millions of dollars on vacations. He throws a few crumbs out to you, but he doesn’t give a rat’s rectum about you or the millions of other Americans. Better look for someone real to help you. We need good jobs to help people, not welfare.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  Cathy

@Cathy

17 trillion huh? Care to elaborate for the folks why that is??

2 unpaid wars (under Bush)
1 unpaid medical prescription drug plan (under Bush)
1 Auto Bailout (under Bush)
1 Bank(s) Bailout (under Bush)
1 Rich Tax cuts (under Bush)
1 Stimulus Package (under Obama)

So yes I blame Bush for the mess we are in…

If you actually think Obama is throwing “crumbs” as you call it, I would argue it is better then what we get under Republicans, which is nothing but our money taken away and given to the rich. Thanks but no thanks, I will stick with Obama over the likes of a Romney any day.

Jan B.
7 years ago
Reply to  mcGillicutty

I’ve lived under a single payer system in the UK for 7 years. One of our son’s babysitters had to wait 9 MONTHS for a biopsy to see if her uterine tumor was malignant or not. One of our antique restorers was still on the waiting list after 7 YEARS for gallbladder surgery. Mother died from gallbladder cancer. He doctor told me that was a 100% curable disease…all you had to do is remove the gallbladder when the attacks begin. I’ve had my gallbladder removed after 9 months & those attacks are EXTREMELY painful yet Steve (antique restorer) continued having attacks for the 7 YEARS we knew him. A friend in London oversees 120 NHS physicians. He said, “once someone reaches retirement age they are allowed an equivalent of $20,000 before DENIAL begins.” His father-in-law recently passed away because there was nothing more NHS doctors could do for him. The LAST thing you want is single payer/nationalized health care.

victoria
7 years ago
Reply to  Jan B.

Jan for President!!!

Mike M
7 years ago
Reply to  Jan B.

The UK does not have a single-payer system. It is actual socialized medicine where the government hires the physicians and nurses and owns the hospitals. Canada has a single-payer system which would be similar to what has been proposed here as Medicare-for-All.

Medicare is highly successful in that its overhead is very low especially when compared to private insurance companies. You would still choose your own doctor who would NOT be a government employee. Despite the right-wing media machine, Canadians approve of their systems in vast numbers, although it certainly is not perfect. What you do not have is citizens delcaring bankruptcy because of high medical bills, which is the number one reason here in the States.

What would be cut out is the 15% to 25% or more profit that private insurance companies make off of your premium.

The truth is the new health care law has caused rates to go up for some and to go down for others, as this piece states. A more accurate title, of course, would be some pay more, some pay less. But that would be fair and balanced and, you know, we can’t have that!

Some folks just had really crappy policies. Nearly all of them had pre-existing conditions, no dental plans, no children up to age 26 covered, already had high deductibles, no hospital coverage, dropped you if you got sick, etc. Who here has either had or know someone who has had a nightmare story about dealing with a health insurance company YEARS before Obamacare was even thought of?

As for the free market, we are the only democratically-elected nation where getting decent care is dependent on your ability to pay. In other words, above and beyond someone being paid for their livelihood, healthcare is a profit center. Should we charge for police, fire, parks? In Medicare-for-All, there would be a role for insurance companies to provide for services not covered such as cosmetic surgery or supplemental plans. The big difference is that companies will not be making BILLIONS in profits and the CEO’s will not make hundreds of millions in pay.

HAM
7 years ago
Reply to  Mike M

Where do you get fair & balanced? Some pay more and some pay less? Well if that was where the ones who paid more because THEY needed more coverage based on THEIR needs then it would be fair. ACA is NOT fair & balanced because people who DON’T need maternity care (such as a man or women who can’t have children), don’t have children (therefore don’t need dental care for them), & don’t need many of the other MANDATED coverages have to PAY HIGHER premiums to cover others SUBSIDIZED remiums. THAT Mike M. is NOT FAIR and balanced. That my friend is INCOME DISTRIBUTION!!! Also known as SOCIALISM. If that is what you want then you need to move to the UK or Canada. Better yet move to a Communist country and find out what it’s like to live under a dictatorship where you have no FREEDOM. Maybe then you will appreciate what this country was founded on. Our forefathers did not come to this country and ask for a HAND OUT. They worked hard to provide for their families and make a better life.

Granted healthcare had some problems but the Obamacare is NOT the answer. There are other solutions which would not have devastated millions, which is what Obamacare has done, but Obama did not allow any input from anyone but Democrats.

Jay
7 years ago
Reply to  Jan B.

@Jan B

Hmmm… well your babysitter’s son could have been here without insurance under the previous system and NEVER been treated, which is what a lot go through. So your argument is flawed…big time… and probably made up by big insurance companies here to protect their profits.

Well according to your argument medicare should be ended because it doesn’t work right? Please, you bring nothing to the table that supports your argument except propaganda.

redd
7 years ago
Reply to  mcGillicutty

Profit is not a bad thing, unless you are…republican, conservative or Anglo Saxon.

Roger
7 years ago
Reply to  redd

Profit is a bad thing if it involves healthcare and people’s lives on the line.

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