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Older Conservatives and American History

Lars Larson

I know, the demographics are an interesting picture for the 2020 election. People 65 and older are going to make up the largest group of voters. They did in 2016, and with 2020 looming and the talk of impeachment what should we expect from America’s mature conservative voters, who, by the way, are very reliable voters, unlike Millennials who don’t show up at the polls nearly as often. Well, Bobby Charles joins me now who’s both the spokesman for AMAC but has in his background that he was Assistant Secretary of State for President George W. Bush. Bobby, good to have you back on the program.

Robert Charles

Always good to be back, thank you.

Larson

So, I’m a little bit frustrated with this whole so-called impeachment process because I thought, and I would refer to my friend Andy McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor, who points out the Constitution makes it very clear – you can start an impeachment process. And the way to start it is to have a vote of the House of Representatives in which the Constitution invests all of the power of impeachment. Because it doesn’t say the House Speaker can decide when the impeachment process starts. It says the house has that power. So, I’m a little frustrated that they don’t actually take the vote and decide whether or not the Democrats, with a solid majority, actually have the votes or not. They’ve already done a couple of votes and the votes came out pretty unclear.

Well, they were clear in the sense that they said, no, the first couple of times a vote was taken. I don’t think they want to take another vote, but I’m curious how you see the mature conservative voters shaping up as we head toward the fall of next year.

Charles

Well, I appreciate the invitation and I’ll tell you that working for AMAC which is that group of older Americans, they are the conservative alternative to AARP, is really very gratifying because these are people that are sort of Reagan Republicans. They have a good understanding of the history of the country and so I draw a lot from them. But, I’ll just tell you that also in my past, during the Gingrich years, I ran – I was the counsel and the staff director for the largest portion of the Oversight Committee for five years, and what you just described, which is essentially a perversion of the process – a ignoring of the rules – is exactly what has not only happened in the last two weeks but it has characterized the house being run under the Democrats since January.

You’ll notice that in the Judiciary Committee Nadler hammers down all the Republicans and doesn’t give them a chance to speak. That’s not what the procedures say. Same thing happens with Schiff, same thing has happened under Cummings and the Oversight Committee. The vote you’re talking about is traditionally the vote you take, and whether you’re trying to impeach a federal judge or a president, and it requires the entire chamber to initiate that process, which then unleashes the opportunity for Republicans to participate in serving subpoenas as well as shaping articles.

And so, of course, the first thing the House has done is ignored that rule, but I think you have to look at the theory of the case and you have to be a little more optimistic. I am, at least, about where this is all going. Right now, what you’re seeing is a rush to judgment because I believe the House Democrats and, frankly, a lot of the presidential candidates on that side, recognize that there is a very big train pulling into the station. We’re about to get a number of things at one time. We’re about to get the Department of Justice release of an IG report on the FISA process which was probably abused by the last administration.

Larson

Absolutely.

Charles

You will see the US attorney in Connecticut, at the direction of the Attorney General, begin to come back with his findings. There have been more than 130 interviews of senior State Department people, getting all of this – really trying to get at the heart of what was the origin of this rush of collusion probe. And I think you have to segue straight into the Biden issue. What did he do? He went over to Ukraine and, we know, that he basically violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act over there. And what did the President do? The President, under his attorney general and with the support of Giuliani, was trying all of the world frankly to get to the origins of that Russia collusion probe.

In that process they had a dialogue with Ukraine and I think one of the most unreported facts, indeed I’ve begun to write on it, I write for Fox periodically, and I believe one of the most unreported fact is that the elements of a foreign corruption act violation attached to that Biden visit, and there a treaty that we have with Ukraine that goes back to the year 2000, when it was ratified, under which our senior leadership, president, attorney general, secretary of state, can interact with the Ukrainians to try to understand if there was a violation of law under US law. So, I think what you’re going to find that this is a house of cards. This rush to impeachment is really to try to get there ahead of the big train that’s pulling in, and I think it’s really embarrassing. I think the Democrats are going to pay a terrible price for it a year from now.

Larson

Well, I wonder, Bobby, because you know it’s been pointed out that a really surprising number of Democrat former office holders – people like John Kerry and others – have kids who, amazingly, have achieved these positions on Boards of Directors for energy companies, overseas, and you look at this you say, this isn’t by accident. This is a convenient way for people who are in those positions to get their kids paid a lot of money, which is constructively the same as, you know, it’s paying the money to the person involved. You’re paying it into that family.

I mean if somebody – I’m very careful and have been throughout my career not to get myself in compromising positions, but if somebody said, hey, Lars, I want to pay your kid $1000 a week to come in mow my lawn. I would know what was going on there, and Joe Biden knew what was going on with his kid. He’s getting one of the – I’ll tell you another underreported fact, Bobby – and that is when I heard that he was making six hundred thousand a year, Hunter Biden was, I called a friend of mine who’s in finance – he runs his own financial services company – I said what does it typically pay if you’re on a big-name Board of Directors like Nike or Intel or Microsoft? He said about $100k a year. About $25,000…

Now, there are a couple of real unusual cases that go as high as $600,000 and I thought, is anybody in the mainstream media paying attention to the fact that for some reason this Ukrainian nat-gas company was paying Hunter Biden six times as much as a typical Board of Directors position pays for a kid who had some real flaws – some real warts in his background – including getting kicked out of the Navy Reserves for cocaine. But also, had no expertise as – he was a lawyer or is a lawyer – but he didn’t have any expertise in energy law and Ukrainian law or anything else that would make him a real asset, but his daddy was VP. And I don’t see that popping up in the mainstream stories about Hunter Biden saying, why was he making $600,000 when you make a $100,000 or so to be on the Board of Directors of real name-brand companies here in the United States?

Charles

Yeah, you are absolutely right, and I could corroborate what you’re saying a dozen times over. You know, I think that part of what is so offensive about that particular event, and perhaps also things that are going to come out about his activities in China, and what’s so offensive about this impeachment isn’t just that these are people that, for their own private benefit, their own political sort of craven benefit, are really using and misusing and abusing the constitutional process.

They’re treating it like a game, and it is not a game. All you have to do is go back and look at what James Madison and others wrote about it. This is a very extreme remedy for an extreme act, and we don’t have an extreme act. So, we don’t need the extreme remedy. But I think what really bothers average Americans that are older than 50, it’s certainly older than 65, is that we grew up in an era where there were some core values, and I’ll say the Reagan values just because, for shorthand, but they involved strong defense, defense to the border. They involved smaller government, lower taxes. They involved a good moral compass and a sense that when you serve in government you serve with humility because you serve the people. They didn’t serve you.

And that has been turned on its head now, and this example that you use of Biden’s son, is what really, I think, infuriates average Americans. I grew up, you know, in rural Maine in a town of 500 and I am proud to work for AMAC because I think they are all about merit. They are all about hard work generates good outcomes and we have to teach that, and we have to believe that. And we also have to believe in things like the First Amendment, free speech, free exercise of our religion and other things, but we grew up in a time and in a place – I feel very fortunate to have done that – where those things were valued and passed along. And I think this group – AMAC or amac.us if you google it – is really all about that and I think average Americans look at this impeachment process and they say, not again.

Larson

No, not again. Bobby Charles from AMAC. I’m a member of AMAC.

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