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USA Boxing’s New Transgender Rule Could ‘Kill a Woman,’ Coach Warns

Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2024
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USA Boxing has changed its rules to allow men who identify as women to compete in the female category, a change that coach Cary Williams warns could be deadly. 

Even one man competing against women is “all it takes to do damage; that’s all it takes to kill a woman,” says Williams, a USA Olympic-level female boxing coach. 

“I’m extremely scared for the safety of our girls and our women in boxing,” she told “The Daily Signal Podcast.” 

The new policy requires males to meet specific hormone levels and to have undergone surgery to “alter” their gender. But Williams says the new policy does not acknowledge that men have “larger hearts, larger lungs, bone density, strength.”

“You’re talking about muscle-fiber differences. Those are all something we’re born with,” she says. 

Williams, the founder of women’s fight-gear brand Tussle, joins the show to discuss USA Boxing’s rule change and what she thinks female boxers should do to stand up against the dangerous policy. 

Virginia Allen: It is my pleasure and joy today to be joined by USA Olympic Level 4 female boxing coach Cary Williams. Cary has a successful run in boxing herself, before becoming a coach. She is also the founder of the women’s fight gear brand Tussle and CEO of B&B Method, which is the certification company that certifies trainers around the globe in Cary’s specific gym method. Cary, thank you so much for being with us today.

Cary Williams: Thank you for having me. I’m super excited.

Allen: How did you first get into boxing?

Williams: Yeah, I know it’s a funny, funny way how we get into what we’re doing now, right? I actually, I graduated with an environmental science degree from college. So, you know, of course, I’m using that. But you know, I’ve always had an entrepreneurial spirit and I wanted to do something that hadn’t been done before.

I had a friend at the time that was a boxer and I just remember them saying, “You know, I go to the gym, a lot of people want to learn how to box, but no trainers will train them unless they want to be fighters.”

So, I thought, well, why not open a gym where anybody and everybody can come in, they can learn boxing, maybe not get hit but learn the actual sport. And that was back in 1998. So, in actuality, I was a gym owner before I was a coach and I was a coach before I was a boxer.

Allen: OK, so you did it backward. What do you prefer, coaching or boxing yourself?

Williams: You know what? I love coaching. You know, boxing’s great because it’s one of those things where you’re strategic. A lot of people think it’s just us out there hitting each other, but there’s a lot of strategy involved and I do miss that about participating in the sport, but the opportunity to make changes in people, you know, whether they’re athletes or they’re not athletes, is pretty amazing, especially for youngsters.

So, I’ve been able to touch a lot of people over these 25 years of being in boxing. So I would say, for me, coaching is more rewarding.

Allen: So cool. Who are some of the athletes that you’ve coached?

Williams: You know, I wouldn’t say any big names per se. I did take a young lady, Marina Ramirez, to the Olympic trials, which was the very first Olympic Games that women were allowed to box in. So that wasn’t too long ago. It was 2012. So we’ve been fighting for our seat at the table for a long time as women in the sport. So yeah, we had a great little kind of Olympic trial tour just her and I and I’ll never forget it. It was pretty amazing.

Allen: That is really special. Are the rules different in female boxing versus male boxing?

Williams: Yeah, they are. It also depends on if you’re fighting professional, if you’re fighting amateur, you’re looking at, you know, two-minute rounds versus three-minute rounds. In the pros, you’re looking at, for a championship fight, 10 rounds instead of 12 rounds. So there are differences in the competition. And they’ve always been there for the safety of women.

Allen: Well, let’s talk about that, the safety of women within boxing. So, some of our listeners have probably heard the news that on Jan. 1, USA Boxing became the latest sport in America to implement new rules to allow men who identify as women to compete against women. Cary, when you heard this news, and you heard that USA Boxing was changing the rules, what were some of the first thoughts that ran through your head?

Williams: I couldn’t believe it. You know, I’ve seen it happening in other sports, and in my mind, I thought they will never do that in boxing because we hit each other in the face and the head and the body. So it never even crossed my mind that would happen. So I was completely shocked and then I was really upset.

You know, like I said, we’ve been fighting for a long time to get our seat at the table in the Olympics, and this is in amateur boxing, so USA Boxing is the body that basically all the amateurs go through that organization to make it to the Olympics.

So yeah, I was very upset about it and I felt like I had to speak out about it. I feel like a lot of folks are really nervous to speak out and whether that’s a platform like this or it’s on their social media. You know, even though I believe that the majority of women feel the same way I feel, and I think lots of guys feel the same way, and it’s just nobody’s coming out to say anything. I don’t say nobody, but there are very few.

Allen: Well, I really applaud you for your willingness to speak out and to be a voice on this issue, to be a voice for other female boxers. And explain, if you would, just a little bit of this rule, the context. There are specific benchmarks that these males have to hit in order to compete with women, correct?

Williams: Right. So there are certain testosterone levels they must meet, which is kind of crazy because we have anti-doping and so, you know, a hormone is a hormone, a replacement, it is what it is. But there’s also, they’re 18 and older, but the thing is that they are not required to have gone through their transition before puberty, and that is a big problem.

I mean, already, boys and girls are different. Men and women were born differently. You’re talking about larger hearts, larger lungs, bone density, strength. You’re talking about muscle fiber differences. Those are all something we’re born with. Like genetically, … we’re not just talking about going through puberty. But once you go through puberty, I mean, that’s just, it’s a whole other ballgame.

So with the rules, that’s not required. It’s, you know, “I identify as this, I’m at a certain level of hormones, and I have to be at that level for so many years and maintain that and get tested.” That’s pretty much what the rule is.

Allen: Have you ever personally boxed against a man?

Williams: I have an experience. When I was 30 and I was competing, I was sparring, we had a lot of teenage boys in our club and I was sparring with one of them and he was 16. And he was going very light on me, which, you know, it’s always a kind of a, we don’t talk about it, but we all know if you’re going against a woman in the ring, you go light on them and it’s unspoken rule.

So he was going light on me. He just threw in a body shot and it just hit me perfectly. He didn’t mean to hit me hard, flicked it in there, and gave me a hairline fracture on my rib. I’m 30 years old, he’s 17, and he’s cracking my rib.

And so, yeah, I have had that experience. … I understand firsthand what the difference is in that power. And again, that was a teenager.

Allen: When you’re talking with the female boxers that you work with, what are they saying?

Williams: Gosh. … The thing is, it’s not just in boxing. It’s in wrestling and MMA, you know, other combat sports, jujitsu. I’m getting stories told to me from young girls that are talking about [how] they got their nose broke and just in training with boys or men.

But yeah, the women in the boxing community, I don’t know one of them personally that has said, “Yeah, this is a great idea.” They are extremely upset about it. I do understand that you know, we’re in Olympic Games in 2024. So a lot of our women have worked really hard for a lot of years to get where they’re at. Now, for them to step up and speak out against USA Boxing, it puts their Olympic dreams in jeopardy.

I think a lot of them are very nervous to really kind of step up and speak out and ruffle any feathers because of where they’re at. And the thing is, in 2024, I don’t believe there will be any transgenders boxing at the Olympics, at least in the USA, because this rule is kind of new.

Some people say, “Oh, there’s not that many trans, you know. What are you worried about?” There could be one, that’s all it takes to do damage, that’s all it takes to kill a woman, and that’s all it takes for it to grow steadily. And then there are more, and there are more, and there are more.

So what, just because there’s one it’s OK? I don’t understand that logic at all. So yeah, I’m extremely scared for the safety of our girls and our women in boxing.

Allen: Cary, I mean, there’s obviously a physical side to it that’s very obvious, concerns over safety. But then I also think about prepping to go into a match as a woman, knowing I am going to be fighting against a male, and just that psychological toll that would potentially take. Because as athletes, you prepare just as much psychologically as you do physically, right?

Williams: So true. I can tell you, you can lose the fight before you step into the ring. It is so much more mental than most people realize. And if you know you’re stepping in there with a person who is a man, yeah, you’re not gonna have that much confidence. You might even be a little bit more nervous. You might be scared for your life.

Yeah, I can’t imagine me personally still boxing and having to deal with that. I actually wouldn’t, quite frankly. I would step away. I wouldn’t really care where I was at in my boxing career. I would have to take a stand and get my girls together and my team together and say, “Look, we’ve got to walk from this because power is in numbers.” And if these women all step away from this, then who’s going to be competing at the Olympics? You know?

Allen: Wow. That’s pretty bold. So you would tell Team USA Boxing, “Hey, walk away if you have a man coming in to compete against you guys”?

Williams: Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Allen: OK. So what is your message to USA Boxing? What do you want to say to them? 

Williams: You know, what I want to say to them, I feel like they are doing women a disservice and they are jeopardizing their safety. And speaking of safety, USA Boxing, you were aware of a paper written by the Association of Ringside Physicians. They made it very clear that this is unsafe. Ringside Physicians. They’re the ones that are there at ringside to make sure every fighter is safe. So if you’re not listening to a recommendation that they have, what are you doing?

Allen: That’s huge, Cary, that you have the physicians who are on the sidelines who are raising concerns over this. What, if you would talk us through that, what are some of their key concerns related to safety and what are some of the injuries that they have voiced concern over seeing more of if you have men and women in rings together?

Williams: They are not being specific, but they are definitely stating that a man who is competing in the women’s category is dangerous because men and women are built differently. Once they go through puberty, it is just such a stark difference that it is completely unsafe and they recommend not to allow transgender people to compete in the women’s category.

And they also, you know, on the other side, they also talk about transgender people competing in the men’s. You know, it’s a safety issue as well on that end. But you’re not getting a lot of that.

Allen: Cary, are you concerned about getting canceled? As you mentioned, there’s some folks who are speaking out, but I think many are frightened to do so, and understandably so. From what we have seen, when people speak out on this issue, it often isn’t pretty. Why are you still choosing to speak out, even given the risk that you know you face?

Williams: You know, I don’t think about it. That’s the thing is, you know, I don’t live my life on having followers or getting likes or getting views. I’m not concerned about that. And the thing is that if somebody has a different view than me and they can’t just simply go, “OK, she thinks that way, I think this way. Let’s move forward and let’s live our lives,” then is that the person that I really want to be associated with?

I don’t mind people having other views, but to cancel somebody because you have another view, that just is idiocracy to me. So it’s fine if I lose followers or what have you.  

Allen: Well, Cary, go ahead, tell us, how can we keep up with your work if we want to follow what you’re doing?

Williams: For sure. So, Tussle is a, it’s an all-female fight gear company because we are built differently than men. So this isn’t a “shrink it and pink it” gear. It is, actually, we have custom molding for women’s hands, whether they’re wearing gloves or they’re holding punch mitts and they’re a coach or whatever. So, yeah, tusslegear.com.

And we have also, we do clinics, our brand partners, they do clinics around the nation. And whatever their specialty is—it could be jujitsu, it could be boxing, it could be whatever—they’re doing clinics in their cities offered to girls and women for free, you know, just to spend an hour getting a skill set or to be introduced to something. So we’ll be doing that in 2024. So that’s kind of what we’re doing with the Tussle brand.

Allen: Well, encourage all of our listeners, make sure that you’re checking out Cary Williams’ work, following her across social media platforms. And we’re going to be continuing to follow the situation with USA Boxing here at The Daily Signal and the “Problematic Women” podcast as well. So, Cary, thank you for your time today. We really appreciate it.

Williams: Yes, thank you so much.

 Virginia Allen is a senior news producer and podcast host for The Daily Signal. She is the co-host of “The Daily Signal Podcast” and “Problematic Women.”

Reprinted with permission from The Daily Signal – By Virginia Allen

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PaulE
PaulE
1 month ago

I predict the first time a 6’3″ 185 lb. trans female steps into the ring to box a 5’7” female opponent and knocks the female boxer out in the first minute, the sport of female boxing will be dead and buried in this country. I also predict no country will send its female boxers to compete in the Olympics against American trans females. So that will be the end of America’s participation in that sport internationally, unless the whole sport is taken over by trans females world-wide. Then you just might as well call it men’s boxing. Oh wait, we already have that. So, I guess that means the male boxers get to fight the trans female boxers and we know how that will go.

This is an insane ruling by the USA Boxing folks, but there do appear to be a lot of spineless folks out there more than willing to hop on the left’s bandwagon to try and stay relevant.

Mitch
Mitch
1 month ago

This doesn’t end until women refuse to compete against these men. Yes, I get you are sacrificing a lot by not competing, but it must be done. The sooner you band together and say we will never compete against a man, the sooner they will eventually go away. Believe me when I say most men would do this for you to rid this country from these injustices that are being thrown at you women and make sure these men go back to competing against men. We are the majority for what’s right. Let’s all put our foot down and stop this nonsense once and for all and send a message to all these woke idiots were done with your bullsh*t.

David Millikan
David Millikan
1 month ago

The first woman killed will be grounds for charges of First Degree Murder against the USA Boxing Commission by knowingly have a biological male inflict such actions regardless that the male thinks it’s a female. There are ONLY 2 sexes, Male and Female.
USA Boxing is now COWARD Boxing by allowing these sick so-called trans to Box against the opposite sex since they can’t win against their own sex.

Coach Terry
Coach Terry
1 month ago

More Godless sanctimonious cowardice causing shamefulness to our ladies by a demoncRATic regime bent on disrespecting Bio 101 Truths n FACTS for the sake of votes from the ignorant tge like-minded n the illegal. SINISTER

anna hubert
anna hubert
1 month ago

I am not sure there is what once we called a sport any more Was it not meant to be a show of skill and ability may the best competitor win ? There was a pride in that What we now have are losers who can’t make it as men so they declare themselves to be women and presto there is a winner Is there anything more shameful than winning by cheating That medal should burn a hole in their chest yet they accept it proudly Such luck of character This is a mockery of sport A big setback for women ,victory for losers winning a worthless medal No different than a 5 year old playing a soldier

Wayne
Wayne
1 month ago

The one and only reason trans males would want to get into any female sport is because there not good enough to compete against other males. IF I was in charge of women’s sports I would not allow any trans male into any woman’s sport. Whoever ok’ed the trans male into women’s sports should lose his/her job. And if any woman dies SUE SUE SUE

Glen
Glen
1 month ago

All the women need to quit, en mass, until the rules are changed to prohibit trans-women (in other words MEN) from competing If they want to let two trannies fight it out, fine. Watch how fast they want to quit when the other tranny knocks them out and they start crying that they were beat up by a man. This trash won’t stop until the women stand up for themselves and quit playing their games. The advertisers and the colleges promoting this stuff will all lose money and their audience if they just have to watch pretend women beating on each other.

Allen B
Allen B
1 month ago

The women should insist on being eligible for monetary damages, if seriously injured due to being required to compete against a biological male boxer . If the association were required to carry liability insurance for injury, such as permanent disability, they would very likely back off this dangerous rule. If patrons protest and don’t buy tickets, this could help too.

Jeri
Jeri
1 month ago

Until a few women are permanently injured and/or killed those with the 2×4 mentality will not understand…and yes, I agree with all those who will reply some will never figure it out or understand. Sad but true.

corbin douthitt
corbin douthitt
1 month ago

If they take the boxing glove off their head— let tranny fight tranny..

Pete
Pete
1 month ago

They won’t care. Really, if a woman dies they will find a way to spin it as her fault. They’ve come too far to let something as petty as a woman dying stop them.

Maurice Brandt
Maurice Brandt
1 month ago

Just another example of liberals not having a clue. In my estimation, liberals should NOT be able to be in a position to have any influence in situations like this one, because they have ZERO common sense.

Tim Toroian
Tim Toroian
1 month ago

Yep!!

Robert Zuccaro
Robert Zuccaro
1 month ago

I think I saw this on an episode of “South Park”. Now I know where the left gets their ideas…

Laura Bentz
Laura Bentz
1 month ago

My question is: why do women have to do everything men do? I miss the good old days when you had roles in life and you filled those. Like taking care of yourself so you can conceive and have a family. It’s no wonder our population is decreasing… Sorry I’m ranting, but I miss the days when men were men and it was beneath a women’s dignity to beat up other people…

Jackie
Jackie
1 month ago

Either the women/girls have to refuse to compete under these circumstances (transgenders vs females) OR a female has to die at the hands of a transgender who can’t/won’t compete against his own gender!!! I suppose there is another option where the powers that be actually stop their ridiculous new inclusive rules and make a league just for the transgenders – that would be fair!!! So now we have men’s leagues, women’s leagues and transgender’s leagues!!!

John Shipway
John Shipway
1 month ago

If some fat male hating lesbian wants to waddle into the ring against a skilled male opponent……….let her (it). They can’t breed so let them cull what little numbers they have in this world. Heck, promote mix sex boxing……..and FORCE women to play in the NFL.
Equal rights universally by golly!!

Bill
Bill
1 month ago

Our civilization is about finished. We are all guilty of letting it slip away and haven’t done enough to stop it. Our children are less concerned then our grand children. By the time our grandchildren ( the ones that realize it) take action there will be too many socialist/communist to stand against and from there they will take over and run our civilization into the ground with there selfish ,woke extremism. People should have stood up a few elections ago and took this country back but we were to busy indulging in our man made comforts and relied on politicians to straighten it out. None of them have the balls to do what has to be done and its just too late. You can all b*tch and moan as millions do everyday but we are so beyond that now. No difference will be made. Until we have the balls to physically take back our country it will never happen. People are too comfortable and scared to lose what they have. They will lose everything soon and have to start over or let them have it.

Randall L. Beatty
Randall L. Beatty
1 month ago

I think that girls that are born female and do not want to compete with a male should just say they will not compete with a male no matter what they identify as they are still by build a male and that is not fair to women that are in different sports The groups that think it is ok do not care if someone get’s hurt as long as they can get there way and if a trans female thinks it is right they should think about what they are doing.

Donald King
Donald King
1 month ago

With this asinine ruling, boxing as a competitive sport is officially dead. Kind of like the Romans throwing unarmed Christians into the arena to fight lions for sport.

Eric
Eric
25 days ago

The simple solution, regardless of the sport, are the women athletes themselves….simply refuse to play if a man is in the ring, on the field, on the court. From a money standpoint, standing firm with the mantra of Trans play then no play, will bring the truly big money to their knees very quickly. Women have worked so hard to be recognized for their skills, talents, abilities, intelligence and not just their bodies….stand your ground! Be a Riley Gaines! It’s not that heros have no fear, it’s that they have the courage to push through their fear

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