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Democrat Arrogance in US House is Self-Defeating

Posted on Saturday, February 9, 2019
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by AMAC, Robert B. Charles
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Members of the Democrat-controlled US House need to think hard about what “overreach” means, and whether their posture undermines America’s respect for the institution. The combination of entitlement, arrogance, ignorance, intransigence and smugness is unappealing to Americans – of every stripes.

For nearly five years, I served as staff director and chief counsel for a congressional oversight committee – managing hearings for the US House, Waco (1995) and Nancy Reagan’s appearance to Defense, State, Justice and NASA (1995-99).  Historically, committee chairs served with dignity, respected witnesses. Honestly, so did ranking minority members, including US House Oversight Committee Chairman, Elijah Cummings who was ranking on our subcommittee. 

But things are changing.  If Democrats are not careful, they will destroy respect for congressional oversight, and make a mockery of what has historically been a constitutional duty.

To be clear, the US Congress has a constitutional right to oversight of executive operations.  Thus, during my tenure as a staff director and counsel, we conducted investigative hearings into lots of misfeasance, malfeasance, and nonfeasance in the executive branch. 

If members liked media, since it affected their reelection, the goal was making government work – accountably and cost-effectiveness.  We did not waste taxpayer money on raw political jousting, disrespect history, aim to embarrass executive witnesses, issue unnecessary subpoenas, hunting documents and conversations that did not exist.  That was not our job.   

Our hearings covered “return on investment” from State programs, capitalization of US Coast Guard, domestic-international balance at the Drug Enforcement Administration, authorization of a cabinet-rank Office of National Drug Control, metrics in substance abuse, defense inventory management, Strategic Defense Initiative, F-18 fighter and V-22, systemic failures within immigration and naturalization.

In short, much of what we did was boring but important, not political.  The second goal was educating the executive branch, ourselves and the public on expectations for public expenditures.

Now, turn the page – to 2019.  What do we have?  In the latest “oversight” hearing, Democrats adopted the Kavanaugh hearing’s entitlement and smugness, impunity and intentional infliction of embarrassment.   The US House Judiciary Committee aimed to humiliate President Trump by spitting accusations at Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, with a week left in office. 

The committee’s hubris, grandstanding, insinuation and arrogance was a disgrace.  The truth-finding function of Congress became a slave to politics.  But Democrats are making a grave mistake. America does not like this kind of behavior.  It is unbecoming to the institution and office to which they were elected.

What did these Democrats do?  They made a Shakespearean play of abusing subpoena power, demanding an appearance from a departing official to excoriate him for actions they knew he had not taken, villainized an innocent man – to promote their anti-Trump narrative.  

When the Acting Attorney General agreed to voluntarily appear, explained ongoing investigations are not discussed in public settings, refused to speculate or violate his oath, he was pinioned.  Or that was the aim.

House Judiciary’s Democrat majority, agreement in hand for a voluntary appearance, nevertheless voted to subpoena him, throwing away a century of tradition, dignity and comity between branches.  They played politics, to put him in the wrong.

In the hearing room, things got worse.  They took turns impaling him with insinuations and peppering him with questions they knew were unanswerable or purely political.  Open investigations are not hashed out in public. They knew that.  They asked anyway.

They cut him off, ridiculed him, hurled insinuations at him, and asserted he was involved in “obstruction,” according to Representative Hank Johnson (D-Ga).  Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY) demanded repeated answers until the witness snapped back.  Whitaker said: “There has been no event, no decision that has required me to take any action, and I have not interfered in any way with the special counsel’s investigation.” 

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), famous for mistreatment of her own staff, resignation from House Judiciary Committee chairmanship for ethical reasons – and for declaring Pathfinder had taken pictures on Mars of the flag Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin planted (Note: That was the moon, not Mars), attacked.  She asked for more time.  The witness piped up.  She lashed out, telling him he was not funny.  If impertinent, it was comic.

There we have it.  Democrat House is empowered, smug and unified in stopping a southern border wall, defending late term abortions, not applauding anything President Trump has done to improve the American economy, national security, international trade, or individual liberties, from faith and free speech to energy independence and an appeal to end enmity. 

Nothing illustrates this odd sense of “all power to socialist control” – traditional oversight made a slave to politics – than the Wall Street Journal’s front page today.  I looked hard at the photos.  A lone witness, honest Acting Attorney General, looking up plaintively at an all-powerful, arrogant congressional panel – their seats five feet above him.    

It was like watching Jimmy Stewart put in that low chair below the all-powerful Mr. Potter in It’s a Wonderful Life.  Dorothy below that fiery Wizard of Oz. There was Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY) and his row of Grand Inquisitors leaning over, waving their hands at a lone, lonely witness.

So, 2020 spoiler alert:  Americans do not like this kind of thing.  It smacks of arrogance they despise. Members of the Democrat-controlled US House need to think hard about what “overreach” means, whether their posture undermines America’s respect for the institution – and the high purpose – they serve.  No kidding. 

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Rexford O Ames
Rexford O Ames
5 years ago

I have zero respect for Congress as a whole. Yes, there are a few Congressman and Women, in both the House and the Senate. That respect the office they were voted unto. Unfortunately. Corruption , is a way of life for many of those in office. They have presented the idea that they are immune from any kind of accountability. They collect money from some very, very shady characters , both Foreign and Domestic and could care less about the F.B.I or any other investigative agency , because of it’s immersion into shady behavior of their own! i.e. F.B.I. , as well as the C.I.A. The public , as whole, do not trust in any institution of LAW! No wonder Islam is taking over communities with total disregard of our Laws or institutions. They left their respective countries because of the same behavior and brought with them , what they supposedly escaped from!
Congress men and women are and have been compromised via extortion and fear. Why does one think they want no wall or strengthening of our borders? Lots and Lots of talk.

LPO
LPO
5 years ago

It is time to uphold the law and remove all elected officials that are disloyal to the Constitution. Our US Law Code is clear. They are to be removed.

Kathy Thompson
Kathy Thompson
5 years ago

This article was very well written and is the total truth. I, for one, have had it with the democrats. They are insulting, ignorant, mean and totally antiAmerican. They are completely against the Constitution and should all be impeached as none of them have done their job. They seem hellbent to end our liberties, especially the 1st and 2nd amendments. Then they say, “We want things to be better for the American people.” What a load of crap. Trump has made things better for the American people and they want to take it away. God forbid they lose their power. Time for term limits and NO gold standard health care and retirement packages once they leave. They should have to fend for themselves like the rest of us do.

Nanci Thomas
Nanci Thomas
5 years ago

Oh please, don’t insult Shakespeare!! I hope the democrats keep making idiots of themselves. They are showing themselves to be a highly uneducated bunch. Not to mention the Republicans very few of whom have any backbone whatsoever.

Mike Lorenz
Mike Lorenz
5 years ago

My issue with this is that all of these members took an oath to protect the country, constitution and our inalienable rights. If they have violated that oath they must be removed from office by the Judiciary or the President.

Marilyn
Marilyn
5 years ago

The Democrats showed how uncivilized they could act..no decorum, no manners or respect for Mr. Whitaker. The same way they react to anyone with a different ideology from them. A disgusting show of adults with no manners, how do we expect our children to act?

Bob
Bob
5 years ago

Democrats don’t know how to tell the truth! They blow smoke up your ass and tell you it’s sunshine. They will say anything to you to get your vote. They only care about getting more power for themselves and could not care less about Americans. Democrats are socialists leading stupid people down a path of destruction for all. They say anything but their actions speak loudly.

Uncle Bruce
Uncle Bruce
5 years ago

So twisted are these new democrats. They are so self righteous yet blind to how they are splitting the citizens into rivals and doing the elites biding. A very sad reality look at the state of our country. Thank you for the report on M Whitaker. Suggested reading,
Tucker Carlson’s new book, “Ship of Fools”. just got it and already 3/4 done. Can’t put it down.

Rick
Rick
5 years ago

The democrats are going to push this nation into a full blown civil war.

James
James
5 years ago

The democrats are or 99% of them are children of Satan, because they want to murder babies, steal your money, and destroy our nation. People that have common sense should get out of the democratic party if they are democrats.

Dalya Horowitz
Dalya Horowitz
5 years ago

Thank you for a wonderful article. You are so right. It is almost like reading The Onion. If these newly elected Dems think they can turn our government socialist,they are in for a very big surprise.

ahem tonto
ahem tonto
5 years ago

The Democrats have been an egregious political party since long before the Civil War. Pro slavery, anti- emancipation, pro racism, KKK founders, open border zealots, anti-sovereignty, anti-Semitic, pro infanticide, pro assisted suicide, pro socialism and corrupt beyond the average citizens ability to comprehend.

david
david
5 years ago

KEYWORDS: “SOCIALIST control”: These are not Democrats, nor LIBERals, nor PROGRESSives. These elitist usurpers are SOCIALISTS whose goal is to dictate for you what won’t apply to them. Their desire is “socialism implemented nationally” i.e. TOP DOWN…feds rule all..eliminate states rights and their advocates by painting them as racist, etc. WAKE UP people. Notice all their silencing labels? Racist, homophobic, xenophobic, denier, Islamophobic, obstructionist, teabagger, etc. All are the same SILENCING from consideration methods employed by the other WW2 national socialists These are not your friends–most are card carrying DSA whose stated goal is the elimination of capitalism. The end justifies the means–rules, laws, non-violence etc. only apply to YOU and mean NOTHING…ZIPPO to them. Don’t waste your breath–you won’t find COMMON sense in their actions until you realize THEY PLAY BY NO RULES EXCEPT WINNING SOCIALISM AT ANY MEANS POSSIBLE. (These are the same types that did hundreds of terrorist acts in the 70’s–any action they can justify.) Disruption and division is how they seize power. FYI: Your Christian faith is under attack because you want to serve Christ as MASTER and not Their idea of GOVERNMENT master. As Jesus stated, that makes you as hated by them as he is.

Larry Ralston
Larry Ralston
5 years ago

The Democratic Party’s platform for 2020: Eliminate cows because they perform flatulence, eliminate the use of all fossil fuels, everyone gets a paycheck even if refusing to work, socialize industry, socialize education, socialize health care, socialize capitalism, socialize our Republic, heavy taxation policy, eliminate airplanes, build a rail system over the Atlantic Ocean, strip away our borders, a one-page immigration policy, kill babies that are at term but eliminate the death penalty, eliminate ICE and all other law enforcement organizations not in agreement with socialism, harass and bully opponents, treat conservative government employees like s___, continue their blatant use of hypocrisy. ETC, ETC. There is a play called “Rhinoceros”. It is about a people that, over a short period of time, lose their individualism–they all dress alike, look alike, think alike. They were transformed into rhinoceroses. When looking at that herd of rhinoceroses, you could not identify one from another. Is this the ultimate goal of the extreme left of the Democratic Party’s platform? Has the movement to rhinoceros land started? Maybe so, at the State of the Union on the Democratic side of the room.

Walt
Walt
5 years ago

I haven’t had respect for congress for a long time. Term limits are way overdue.

Earl Ferguson
Earl Ferguson
5 years ago

Well said Mr. Charles!

Barbara
Barbara
5 years ago

Wake up American people see your Democratic Party for what it really is, not for the people, but to enrich themselves and their pocket and to make us a socialist nation. The problem with Americans is they only care when it directly affects them. It will be to late then.

Steven Akes
Steven Akes
5 years ago

I believe that the U.S. needs to take a serious look at doing away with our 2 party political system. By that I mean don’t allow any candidate for public office to mention a political party when running for office and only allow them to explain their political views individually. There isn’t any chance that it would go anywhere in the near future but if it is discussed and brought up enough times, maybe it could happen some day. The politicians seem to avoid standing up for their own beliefs when it goes against their party and that’s not right. People would vote for Independent candidates more often if they knew the candidate had a chance to win but there are too many people voting for a certain party instead of a certain person. I know there are Democrats that support gun rights and probably some that are pro-life but they keep it quiet.

Drue
Drue
5 years ago

The only reason that the democrats (many are socialists) are getting away with all this arrogant behavior is that we are letting them. Conservatives are polite and law-abiding whereas the liberal left choose to riot, burn and shout down anyone who has a different point of view. This will only go on for so long. Our nation is a powder keg, ready to explode. The next civil war will not be about slavery but what form of government we will have in the future. I hope everyone is ready……

Thomas H
Thomas H
5 years ago

democrats have not a thing to worry about. They control the media and our side makes no attempt to make inroads into it. In fact, many of us will not even vote in 2020 because the MSM will come out with some breaking last minute story (false) from an “anonymous source” “proving” dirt on the Republicans. President Michelle anyone?

Hank
Hank
5 years ago

Refresh my memory – when in the Constitution does Congress have “oversight” of the Executive Branch?

Martin Steed
Martin Steed
5 years ago

It’s only gonna get worse, before it gets better. Like many of you, I have trouble understanding just why the Dems take the positions they do and have finally resolved myself to the fact that these people do have Trump Derangement Syndrome. It’s the only explanation. Politics alone cannot explain why so many Dems have completely reversed positions they have espoused for years. One can only hope that voters in their home districts will finally vote to replace some of them. So very sad to see.

Chris
Chris
5 years ago

The cynic is me thinks they *want* to undermine the public’s respect for Congressional oversight — its part of their game plan. You see, the next time someone like Obama gets into the Oval Office and is faced with a Republican House, the threat of Congressional oversight will be far less, if not gone. Not that you could really tell, but that was a restraint keeping Obama from doing even more “executive orders” in his march to transform the country.

To put it more bluntly, they want an overpowered executive that they think they can control and a strong legislative body stands in the way of that. Look at history, for too many Republics that failed, the first big noticeable, no-turning-back step was delegitimizing the legislative body. Once they are out of the way it allows the executive to do whatever they want without oversight.

Susan Dale
Susan Dale
5 years ago

Once again, Democrats should not be surprised when the Silent Majotity votes in 2020.

Frank S.
Frank S.
5 years ago

How a rational, intelligent and informed citizen can vote for any Democrat is beyond me. This is what the Democratic Party stands for today:
Party of (in no particular order):
1. Hypocrisy (both parties are guilty, but the Democrats far out do the GOP)
2. Leftists & “Progressives”
3. Judicial Activism
4. Moral Relativism
5. Historical Revisionism
6. “Democratic” Socialism
7. Humanism/Secularism (Anti-Judeo-Christian Values)
8. Misleading Euphemisms…“pro-choice” (abortion), “Planned Parenthood” (abortion), “undocumented workers” (illegal aliens), “democratic socialism” (socialism),
“affirmative action” (reverse discrimination)
9. Emotional Manipulation
10. Ever-expanding Government Overreach
11. Increased Taxation
12. Increased Regulation
13. Minimum Wage/Guaranteed Employment
14. Political Correctness
15. Identity Politics
16. Planned Parenthood/Abortion on Demand
17. Victim Mentality
18. Uninformed Opinions (low-information)
19. Equality of Outcome (vs. Equality of Opportunity)
20. No Voter I.D.
21. Illegal Aliens
22. Anti-ICE
23. Sanctuary Cities
24. Optics over Substance/Facts
25. Situational Rule of Law/Due Process
26. More Social Welfare
27. “Free” Government Healthcare For All
28. “Free” College/Trade School Education For All
29. ANTIFA
30. “Snowflakes” and Safe Spaces
31. Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ (all avowed racists)
32. Nany Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Charles Schumer, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren (and the list goes on and on….)

Can anyone add more?

Geraldine Slaght
Geraldine Slaght
5 years ago

The Democrats on that commity, make me ashamed.

Robert Palmiter
Robert Palmiter
5 years ago

They are like little kids, want everything their way. We would be able to get are country moving quicker if they would stop playing politics and do the job they were elected , and well compensated for. The situation calls for term limitations we need new blood not the same people making Congress a career. All the percentage of members do is try to advance them selves , instead of advancing the country.

I for one voted for president Trump because was not a politician. Congress especially the liberals are afraid of him because they may loose extravagant life style.

Michael Venaccio
Michael Venaccio
5 years ago

Normally do not respond as I often believe that nothing can be done. But, maybe the citizens that voted for some of these “representatives” need to take a very careful look and see if they are rallying fulfilling their oath of office to “uphold and defend the Constitution”. Judging by some of the very uneducated (at least on constitutional matters) comments that these people have made, it appears they have no intention of fulfilling their oath of office. If they do not, maybe a recall election of a citizens’ lawsuit is in order.

Rich
Rich
5 years ago

This was the last straw for me. I was and I emphasize Was, a Democrat up to This morning. I changed my registration and I have Walked away from the Democratic Party and have vowed to never vote for another evil Democrat for the rest of my life.

Ollie Octopus
Ollie Octopus
5 years ago

Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker is a hero and should be treated that way!

Larry Peterson
Larry Peterson
5 years ago

The last Democrat worth his salt was John F. Kennedy. After Johnson took over the White House it’s been all downhill.

Judy R.
Judy R.
5 years ago

Extremely well written article, and I can only hope that the American people are “turned off” by the actions of the Democrats in that Committee hearing. It would seem that ALL respect in this country has gone out the window, and that is NOT what the Americans I know want to see in Congress.

Pam Littleton
Pam Littleton
5 years ago

We desperately need an assembly of States for a quorum to put forward an amendment to the Constitution, enacting Term Limits. I think this would pass the 2/3 majority needed. If our “Representatives” knew they only had a maximum of 8 years of elected Office, we would have a lot less corruption, and the enrichment of people who are supposed to be serving the CITIZENS and not THEMSELVES would hopefully cease.

Retired
Retired
5 years ago

As I watch all the “Fake News” the controlled media places before us which they feel we are so eager and gullible to read these so called “journalists” are just as stupid and ignorant as the members of the Demonizing Party. Six year old children raised in a sound family atmosphere have more common sense than these idiots who call themselves members of the Democratic Party. It is apparent that they don’t care what veterans have or had to experience to make this country free. Yes, they have the right of freedom of speech, but every time they open their mouth they just prove to the American People their stupidity and power hunger struggle they are attempting to obtain to take this Great Country down to nothing. They appear to care less that they are the laughing stock of the world when viewed by other countries. It is apparent that they are attempting and really working at it to make the USA another Socialist Country so they can control everything in the country. Control health, population size, medicine, and access to the very things we take for granted in this country at the current time. They must really believe that the American people are that stupid to accept their concepts.

Michael Cajohn
Michael Cajohn
5 years ago

An outstanding article. This article shows why we need term limits and no retirement for our congressmen/women. They get a 401 or thrift savings like all government personnel are offered.

Frank2525
Frank2525
5 years ago

Thank you, Mr. Robert b. Charles,
This is a true, honest article, of the shameful and disgusting display of stupidity, and agenda driven hearing. Not for purposes of writing new llaws to improve USA. But to destroy President Donald Trump, and his family, for bias, prejudice, and most heinous reasons possible.
———–Democrats need to change their ways, and do it now. Develop Agenda of positive actions, and attitudes of cooperating, negotiating with all who have been elected, to represent CONSTITUENTS. They are not elected to expose their personal opinions, bias, prejudice, which is just as ugly as the racial or sexist attitudes they say they are opposing. That is all we have seen in Obama Administration, and from Democrats, and some Republicans, with minor parties, during past decades. No one can say USA retained Morals, Morale, Civility, from 1960s, era, being more degraded in subsequent administrations. And it is time to take stock of damage done to families, our USA way of life, and what our colonial ancestors worked so hard to change in 1700s. They had same problems , but rose above them to produce our CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS.
——-There are many like me, born in 1929, who have lived through many administrations, who do not find present day agenda of Democratic Party, and its representatives, as knowledgeable of North American Standards, knowledgeable of CONSTITUTION or BILL OF RIGHTS. Too many are lawyers, who want to dilute all of that, to then live by laws that allow a change in our government from REPUBLIC, to SOCIALISM , COMMUNISM, OF FASCISM, OR SOME OTHER DICTATORIAL FORM. We are not teaching our youth the History of North America. Too many teachers and professors, are teaching how to be activists, demonstrators, occupiers, and how to disrupt and destroy existing REPUBLIC.
———–DONALD TRUMP INFORMS 63 MILLION OF US, WHO ELECTED HIM, OF WHAT HE IS DOING AND HAS DONE. REASON TO KEEP TWEETING, SINCE MAIN STREAM MEDIA HAS NOT GIVEN HIM ANY SUPPORT, JUST AS DEMOCRATS AND CERTAIN REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT. We remember, and we are still out here, and we do not like what we see on our media. Reason so many are failing, as I will not pay for such trash, lies, and their obvious selling out to Rich Donors, with own agendas.
—————JUST LABEL ME A DEPLORABLE, WHO ENJOYS CRUMBS, INCREASES IN MY PENSIONS, AND DECREASE IN MY TAXES, AND HAVE FILED THIS YEAR, AND AM STILL IN 10% BRACKET, living in retirement, with properties paid for, and assets , though last 40 years has been more expensive. And I kept my guns and religion, Thank you and others. Take that Nancy and Chuck.
(note added:
——— By the way, don’t bother checking who I am, or trying to call me. I have software loaded, to block anyone who does not know who they are, for any reason. If they don’t know who they are, I don not know them, either, so cannot help identify who they are. Will let computer server folks do that, and charge them for wasting network power, and time.

Jovon
Jovon
5 years ago

Perhaps it would be a blessing in disguise for them to continue? Just saying. ☺

P. Linscott
P. Linscott
5 years ago

I watched quite a bit of the fiasco last week involving the “oversight” committee’s juvenile questioning of Matthew Whitaker. I give the gentleman a lot of credit for not getting up and walking out – I would have. What a kabuki show of arrogance, nastiness, and downright disrespect. The democrats on this committee should be ashamed.

Gerri Daniels
Gerri Daniels
5 years ago

Positively the BEST commentary I have seen on this situation. It looks like the Dems are digging themselves into a deep hole, deep enough however they may not get out of it. They are dragging down the way Government is supposed to work, and it is an embarrassment to the American public. They forget that they work for the American people, and they are NOT doing their jobs!

Barbara Ervin
Barbara Ervin
5 years ago

Build the wall already!!!

Randy Bourbeau
Randy Bourbeau
5 years ago

Very good, I completely agree.

Richard Keyser
Richard Keyser
5 years ago

Check out and support Convention of States. Think drain the swamp. Become involved & make this a priority, people! And be sure to always vote. Never miss an election.

Vanessa
Vanessa
5 years ago

I have always been a voter of the man or woman not the party, but no longer. I will never vote Democratic again based exclusively on the points made in this article which had already put a gagging reflex in the back of my throat when they began in the last primary!

Linda Zerangue
Linda Zerangue
5 years ago

Arrogance was the word I was looking for after watching the video. Meanest also fits in.

Thomas H Seigo
Thomas H Seigo
5 years ago

Purely and simply, the only way to stop this charade is for the American citizens to stand in unison and demand that these demonic socialist idiots be put on trial for treason against the United States and its citizens. To me, treason is as simply defined as acts to undermine the US Constitution by any and every means available, and to hell with the people of this once great country! This is precisely why I stand shoulder to shoulder with President Trump and fight for the very life of our free Republic!!!

BajaRon
BajaRon
5 years ago

I do not think arrogance by the left is self defeating at all. Instead, I think it is well placed.

Think about it. They have control over the news media, the education system, in large part over the judicial system and federal law enforcement agencies. Plus the IRS and other regulatory entities like the EPA. They have a well oiled voter fraud system in place and are gaining new voters every day the border is wide open. Now they have the House as well.

I would say the left is well placed to cram their agenda down the throat of every American, and they know it. Arrogance, therefore, is in order.

Karen Davenport
Karen Davenport
5 years ago

Great article and it hit the nail on the head. I pray that the country will wake up to see this as it is before 2020.

teresa Ann d'alessandro
teresa Ann d'alessandro
5 years ago

logical people can’t teach illogical people – they have a brick head and are dopes. so save your breath – we will get that wall and I say put money in for it people

Bill Hartwig
Bill Hartwig
5 years ago

You are so wrong! The Democrat voters love this and it is energizing their base. The go about with a smug holier than thou we don’t approve of that conduct but inwardly they love the down and dirty gavel in the mud fighting. To a Democrat truth and honesty are only for the sucker Republicans.

Arthur Harshbarger, III
Arthur Harshbarger, III
5 years ago

I cannot remember the committee name, but the chairwoman gave the oath and when she was finished she left off SO HELP ME GOD! When a congressman from (GOP) from South Carolina asked her to finish the oath because she was out of order; she snapped back that is the way we do it now. You see what steps they are taking to reduce GOD.

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