Atheists Fail to Remove ‘In God We Trust’ From Money After Court Defeat, Call It ‘Utterly Revolting’

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Atheists who failed to remove the national motto “In God We Trust” from U.S. coins and bills following an appeals court defeat have called their loss “utterly revolting.”

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Paul, Minnesota, upheld in a 3-0 decision on Tuesday a lower court ruling from December 2016 that found that the national motto on money did not violate First Amendment free speech and religious rights.

As the New Doe Child # 1 v. The Congress of the United States case explains, 27 individuals who are atheists or children of atheists, along with two atheist organizations, declared that they “definitely do not trust in God.”

Circuit Judge Raymond Gruender explained that the motto did not constitute an establishment of religion, however, and rejected the argument that the atheists are being forced to uphold a message that goes against their beliefs by carrying money.

Gruender agreed with the Seventh Circuit that the arguments that “In God We Trust” on money transforms a constitutional practice into an unconstitutional establishment of religion is “too simplistic.”

“The Constitution does not prevent the Government from promoting and ‘celebrat[ing] our tradition of religious freedom,’ even if the means of doing so — here, adding the national motto to U.S. money — was motivated ‘in part because of religious sentiment.’ Placing ‘In God We Trust’ on coins and currency is consistent with historical practices,” he added.

Michael Newdow, a lawyer representing the plaintiffs, told Reuters in an email that it is “utterly revolting” that “the history of governmental denigration of a suspect class should trump [the] principle” that neutrality be the “touchstone” for analyzing claims under the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause.

Non-profit law firm Becket said that crucial to the Eighth Circuit’s decision was the law group’s argument in a 2014 Supreme Court case, which stated that all Establishment Clause rulings must align with U.S. history on religion in the public square.

“The good news is you no longer need to be afraid that the pennies in your pocket are gateway drugs to theocracy,” said Diana Verm, counsel at Becket.

“The Court was right to say that the First Amendment does not ban ‘In God We Trust.’ For too long, the country has been stuck in what Justice [Neil] Gorsuch once described as ‘Establishment Clause purgatory.’ The court’s decision today is a huge step towards setting things right.”

Newdow has in the past failed in several litigation challenges against the “under God” phrase in the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance.

Becket argued that the atheist lawyer operates under the Supreme Court’s so-called Lemon test, from Lemon v. Kurtzman in 1971, rather than the Supreme Court’s most recent Establishment Clause case, Town of Greece v. Galloway in 2013.

“In God We Trust” has been in the center of much debate in the country. In August, a sweeping education bill signed into law by Florida Governor Rick Scott came into effect, which required all school buildings in the state to display the national motto.

Florida Democratic House member Kimberly Daniels, who sponsored the bill, said in March that “something so great should not be hidden.”

Chris Walker, a Lake County pastor, testified for the bill: “This motto has been part of our history, it’s been part of our nation. The principles that we stand on, and our forefathers created, was in God we trust.”

Reprinted with permission from - Christian Post - by Stoyan Zaimov

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Jim Hentnik
3 years ago

I’m sure at the hour of their death or in dangerous Peril even a few say “God please help me”

3 years ago

Good! Let them revolt themselves right out of this country, to whatever country they owe their allegiance to! This is America, the land of the free, and we want our country back. Liberals didn’t learn a thing in the last 2 elections. This mid-term will not only shut them up but send them scurrying back down the holes they came from.

3 years ago

If these idiots don’t like our money – they can give it to me.

Stephen Lykins
3 years ago

What is utterly revolting is how a very small percentage of the population feels they have the right to dictate how the rest of us live our lives!

3 years ago

Or move to another country if you do not like In God We Trust.
Try China.

3 years ago

The people who use the “Separation of Church and State” phrase usually refer to Jefferson’s “Wall of separation” letter as a basis for their argument. It’s my understanding that letter had nothing to do with our banning religion form the halls of government. It simply addressed the notion that there would be no official government church; that the people would be free to worship their God as they saw fit in whatever church they chose. There would be no official government church such as the Church of England that they broke away from when they left England. “In God We Trust” makes no reference to any particular church, therefore, maintains the separation of church and state.

3 years ago

Yeah. Look what has happened since God was kicked out of school. Morality has gone with him.

Frank Gesuele
3 years ago

It’s only money.

Corbin L Douthitt
3 years ago

To me, a REAL Atheist- just regards Christians or any other faith as humorous. These people are actually afraid that they are WRONG! Thus they must remove any reference to God in order to ‘feel’ safe from His wrath. i.e.- If they can’t see or hear any reference- then He doesn’t exist. Sad. I do not know how anyone who has held a new born baby in their arms can say there is no God.

Donald Mccormick
3 years ago

America was founded by the Christian groups creating America and ALL laws were based on the christian religions to be our basic reason for America because of the TAXES tat their home they left gave us NO voice in what the taxes were used for and how much they needed to do what they wanted done and our forefathers needed to have a country where they could just TELL our government people what the people of America as a whole wants done and NOT what the people in the government wants done without any check with the people of America telling them NOT to do it because we do not want it done.
NOW we are getting a WHOLE new group of people trying to impose the OLD government upon the people of America what our forefathers ran away from because it did not work for the FREE WILL of the people of America trying to get away from all of those RUNNING away from those unfeathered tax increases that hears nothing the people tells the government of what we do not want them to do.

mike schenck
3 years ago

Please, if you dont like it so much, LEAVE!

3 years ago

” . . . they ‘definitely do not trust in God.'” Fine. Don’t. Move on and be done with it.

John Grundin
3 years ago

I don’t recall any atheists protesting against allah outside mosques or schools or anywhere,now why is that

John E Stout Sr
3 years ago

This was a great ruling because if and when we read the founding Father’s letters and papers they specify that this Nation is founded on Christian principals. I agree with Army Vet, Send it all to us and we will dispose of it for them. Meanwhile, carry around enough yen in your pocket, you will see the difference in weight.

michael failla
3 years ago

You louses took religion out of schools, You took civics out of schools,shop classes etc out of schools and you wonder why your kids are getting such a poor education. Its no surprise. What is the root of all of it? Leftist principles, Lack of God in our lives when we need him in our lives the most.
We hear His words yet we ignore them.

michael failla
3 years ago

If God doesnt exist then why oh why do they fight it constantly. Come judgment day there will be a lot of folks who are going to be very surprised! Our country was founded on a belief in God, what is wrong with that…NOTHING. You dont agree fine but trying to force it on me? Not a good idea.

3 years ago

Atheists seem to want to separate themselves from society, rather
than live in harmony. They don’t seem to understand “We the people” and “..God given rights” – acknowledgement of this is on our currency.

3 years ago
Reply to  Lois

No, Lois, we feel every bit a part of this great society, just as you do. And you’re not going to find anyone with a stronger belief in the Constitution and the rule of law than me.

3 years ago

Let me get this straight. According to the sentiments expressed here, atheists are irrational, revolting, colluding with the devil, uncharitable, deplorable, and the cause of all the trouble in public schools. Why, one of you implied that all atheists are democRats! Many of you suggest that they should hand over their money before they exit the country. Mountain Man said, “Our belief is that God does exist.” Angela said that those who don’t believe in God should “shut up about it” because they’re in the minority.

The battle waged between those with religion and those without is the longest fight in human history. And it’s not likely ever to be resolved. There will always be wars fought not just over tangibles, such as land or resources, but also over ideologies. As long as people are capable of individual thought, and live their lives honestly according to their convictions, there will always be differences of opinion. I, for one, respect the right of ANY person to live his or her life, within the rule of law, according to the set of principles deemed appropriate BY THAT PERSON. Is it too much to expect courteous tolerance be offered to those with whom you disagree?
I am a strict Constitutionalist. I have a particular interest in the First Amendment because I AM AN ATHEIST. I have enjoyed a life-long interest in the sciences. As a teenager, I had to make a hard choice. If the beliefs of the church could not be reconciled with the rational laws of science IN MY OWN MIND, then one of them would have to go. I chose to keep science. I’d rather be an atheist than a lying hypocrite!

Most of you just made the leap into the realm of supposition, assuming that I side with those who want to erase all references to God on our currency, on the walls of our Congressional buildings, in the public square, and in our schools. Because of my respect for history, for tradition, and FOR YOU, I do NOT condone the actions of a few who wish to misrepresent the intentions of the founding fathers, who expressed their misgivings in the phrase “a more perfect union.” It is often cited that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, but this does not mean that religion should be credited with providing these rights that each of us deserves to enjoy. It is a birthright, and natural law, recognized in the Constitution and in the hard-won battles that freed us and that sets this country apart. After all, just look throughout history and you’ll see plenty of wars fought in the name of the major religions, resulting in generations of enslaved and tortured populations.

So, Mountain Man, you do not speak for everyone on this site. And Angela, I’m not going to “shut up about it.” In fact, the younger generations have a growing percentage of non-believers, so will you marginalize them, too? I would like to see the schools teach comparative religions, like they used to, but not the lop-sided ratio of Islam, for example, to Christianity. If you want to make changes, take a look at the textbooks these children are exposed to. The school system buys the cheapest ones they can get away with. Remember, you get what you pay for! There are plenty of reasons for our failing public schools, but “taking God out” of them is a facile excuse. Look closely instead at the lack of parental involvement.

Addressing some of the other accusations, we are just as charitable and devoted to family and community as any believer. Here’s a pretty clear example: I am one of four siblings, two of whom are born-again Christians. I am the ONLY one who is devoting time, energy, and sacrificed income to see OUR elderly mother through her remaining years. Tell me how THAT fits into your narrow-minded view of us “deplorables.”

Ivan Berry
3 years ago
Reply to  Kim

A well written perspective, Kim.
The Ten Commandments is a good place to start for a moral compass, extracting those for allegiance to diety leaves a praiseworthy guide for secular government.
There should be no difference placed between natural rights and those expressed as God given. The rights should be the same.
See: In the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, “…to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station in which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them,…”

3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan Berry

Exactly, and thank you, Ivan!

3 years ago
Reply to  Kim

Sadly Kim, too few people truly understand the First Amendment as it pertains to freedom of religion, including the right to not practice any form of religion, or the rationale of the Founding Fathers. History is littered with epic examples going back several hundred years of what the combination of government mingled with religion (state sponsored religion) can ultimately lead to, which is why the Founding Fathers wanted to prevent that in the newly formed United States. After all, America was founded largely by people fleeing religious persecution in England, where the King was also the head of the church. Freedom of beliefs, whatever they might be or not be, was thus considered a God given or natural right that no government had the right to supercede.

Unfortunately, if you remember a while back I explained to you the three distinct forms of what are described as “conservatives”: Fiscal, Constitutional and Social. Those of us that are either fiscal or constitutional conservatives, many usually being both, are few and far between on this site anymore. I am both a fiscal and constitutional conservative, which means I do not subscribe to the majority of narrow-minded views being expressed here. The people posting them do not understand either the intent or purpose behind the First Amendment. Ivan can tell you that there used to hundreds of historically and constitutionally well-versed people on this site every week. One of the hallmarks of which is open mindedness and understanding of broader perspectives and history, as the world is a complex place. What you are seeing are comments from what best can be described as social conservatives. Otherwise know as religious fundamentalists for whom religion, their religion, is the answer to almost any problem. By the way, I’m Christian, but I am not a fanatic about it and realize not all problems are solved by religion (very few are outside of one’s own moral compass) nor should we attempt to force people to any one particular belief system. What each person believes in is up to them and none of anyone else’s business in my view.

As I explained previously, the comments you are seeing are primarily from what are described as social conservatives. That is who dominates a majority of this site these days. Been that way for a few years now. For many of them, their whole world view is centered around the Bible, quoting the Bible as if it us a litmus test of who is a better fundamentalist and that almost everything is related to the notion that if prayer was just re-introduced in schools, everything would be solved. They don’t have a deep understanding of fiscal issues, as demonstrated last week on the SS poll, nor does the Constitution play a major part in discussing government policies. The Bible is their constitution in a very real sense. So on an article like this, you are going to see nothing but endless posts of what are being posted. That is why I didn’t bother to post anything until I saw your post.

Thomas H
3 years ago
Reply to  PaulE

PaulE, Why the demonization of fundamentalists?

3 years ago
Reply to  PaulE

Thanks again for your comments, PaulE.
I usually hesitate to add my 2 cents on the subject, but after reading all these posts…well, I just have to vent. And I certainly appreciate the fact that some readers on this site (you and a handful of others) understand that my view is just as valid as the believers’ views. We are not ogres! We want what everyone wants in this country–to be able to live our lives in peace and with the freedom to make our own choices.
My brother, a Christian, stubbornly clings to the belief that I CAN’T be happy, or fulfilled, or accepting of a finite life on earth and nowhere else. After a few back-and-forth questions, he couldn’t answer the question, “If God was so intent on making man in his own image, to ‘people the earth’ [his words], why would he put all his eggs in one basket?” I’d be curious to know your thoughts, if you want to share them…

3 years ago
Reply to  Kim

My view of what God actually has evolved quite a lot since early childhood. The notion that God is a person of human form, sitting on a throne in the mythical place called heaven is a concept created by people of limited understanding thousands of years ago to try to rationalize many things beyond their limited comprehension. Most religions, with the exception of Islam which is merely the early 7th century Bedouin lifestyle and crude political agendas of Mohammad dressed up to appear as a religion, were designed to instill a set of common moral principles for what is acceptable and what is not on society using stories to convey the principles.

Given the trillions of stars in the universe and the hundreds of trillions of planets in the universe, it would be extremely improbable that this planet and its inhabitants would be the sole forms of life in the entire universe. As immense as the universe is, so far everything we have discovered about it shares a remarkable symmetry of design. You would expect if there was no master blueprint or design of something as vast as the universe, that we would be seeing far more randomness across the areas of we have already seen. From atomic physics up through molecular structures to the structure of star systems in our own galaxy, there is a consistent pattern of design where there shouldn’t be if everything was just random occurrences of nature. So whatever created that elegant and consistent design from the smallest atomic structures up through the formation of various solar systems and planets to whole galaxies, that is what I view as God. Thus the question of man being made is God’s image is really isn’t valid, as other forms of intelligent life must exist in an area as vast and diverse as the universe. It is the primative conceit of early mankind, like the erroneous notion that the sun and all the other planets rotated around the earth instead of the sun, that mankind must have been made in God’s image.

I once asked a nuclear physicist who worked for me what caused the big bang that created the universe. After all, if the theory of the creation of the universe was from a single hyper-compressed matter / energy object, something had to set it off. His response was “it has to have been God, because something of immense power has to have acted upon a previously stable mass to trigger the event we are still experiencing today. All galaxies in the universe continue to be moving away from each other even after billions of years. No other external matter could have interacted with it, since the entire big bang theory is based on all matter and supposed energy in the universe being ejected from this original ball of matter / energy. That then brings up the logical next question of where did the original ball of matter / energy come from to start with. His view was the same, as no one has put forth a reasonable and credible theory to explain the origin of the original matter / energy object.

Obviously none of this lines up with conventional Bible teachings. Like I said in my original post, I view the primary purpose of Christianity being to teach moral values. Which it does well, if one chooses to do so. Again, personal choice. However, that it where it ends. The Bible shouldn’t be viewed as having the answer to areas beyond one’s personal morality. It doesn’t contain solutions to things like fiscal, political or defense issues, unlike what some may believe.

What do you think of my response?

3 years ago
Reply to  PaulE

You’ve put into words that I have wanted to say, but the Muse failed me. Many Thanks!!!

3 years ago
Reply to  Bob

You’re quite welcome Bob.

3 years ago

If they don’t believe in God and obey our Constitution they can go to other countries. Keep these non-belivers out offices of our beloved country. Please convince your family, friends, neighbors and everyone who is a US citizen and eligible to vote to vote for candidates who will help President Trump to keep our Constitution.

Mountain Man
3 years ago

Atheists say that God does not exist. Our belief is that God does exist. I agree with someone who state that we will find out for sure when we die. If there is no God, then the atheist goes to nothing. If God does exist and there is a Heaven, God help them!

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