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Bobby Gunther Walsh

Robert Charles he’s the national spokesman for AMAC He’s a former Assistant Secretary of State for President George W Bush Former naval intelligence officer, litigator, multi time author giving his political insight and opinions on impeachment the Iowa caucuses and more AMAC.US that’s the Association of Mature American Citizens, AMAC and believe I got that acronym right but I will let Robert explain that. So, you can find out more about him at AMAC.US or Eagles and evergreens is his website as well Robert, Good Morning how are you doing? 

Robert Charles

I’m doing great Bobby thank you very much 

Gunther

Did I get the acronym right for AMAC The Association of Mature American Citizens? You did and you know I don’t know if there’s a more relevant association than AMAC.US or AMAC I’ll tell you right now because they are the conservative alternative to AARP and if you ever needed a voice in Washington today and nationally I think this is the time where we’re really at a tipping point I think nationally in terms of our identities and politically and I think it’s a really fascinating. They do a great magazine they represent all those over the age of 50 and they also have a number of great offerings so thank you and yes indeed AMAC is really sort of where it’s at 

Gunther

And unlike the other guys they didn’t join in selling us down the river to Obamacare so what’s the other. 

Charles

Not at all I mean they represent what amounts to American liberty and tradition and I think one of the reasons that having worked in the Reagan White House in Bush 41 White House and then with Colin Powell that I find myself here is that you know America is at a crossroads and a group like AMAC is it’s just it’s the sort of the bread and butter or that the motherhood and apple pie that you know is there but you don’t know where to find it and one of the great things about them is they defend the rights that are in the first amendment and the second amendment and the fourth and the sixth and they’re looking for federal solvency they’re looking for a sense of conservative orientation and values and bearing and I for me personally I find it’s a great place to be and it’s very easy to again as you just said a moment ago it’s very easy to find them just Google AMAC and their membership is very cost effective. 

Gunther

Nice and Eagles and Evergreens that is? 

Charles

That’s just the name of the book that’s the name of a book that if you I wrote a year ago celebrating the lives of World War II vets in a small town. 

Gunther

It is a great book folks by the way and I have that all linked up on my page so it’ll take you right to where you can buy the book or at amazon.com is easy if you want to do it that way Eagles and evergreens. So, talk to me about impeachment as it stands right now, I mean it looks, I was worried that the Republicans that they get enough to say we’re going to call witnesses. It was a pleasant surprise for me, maybe you weren’t surprised. 

Charles

Well, actually the only surprise for me was that I thought even in the witness vote we might get a Democrat or two. You know this is a strange week what we’re about to confront here is this sort of the triple witching hour of American politics. A term borrowed from the stock market, but you’ve got a very positive event in the State of the Union that’s sandwiched between two very I think confusing and negative events today’s Iowa caucuses for which there’s really no guideposts. Sanders looks to be the guy that the Democrats are going to lean toward a socialist, and then the impeachment votes, final impeachment vote on Wednesday, with regard to the impeachment vote last week to be honest you know you look at there are three or four Democrats that almost certainly are facing tough decisions. Arizona you’ve got Sinema there, Alabama you’ve got Doug Jones there.

You’ve got West Virginia with Joe Manchin, you’ve got Michigan which is sort of caught in irons with Gary Peters and I would even add in Minnesota where you’ve got Tina Smith who’s defending even though Trump did not win Minnesota, he certainly surging there so you know it was a strange vote. Collins is in a tough race in Maine, I know that district well or that state well and her race of parameters I think that the Senate leadership basically gave it to her and said go ahead cast this vote if you want to and then Mitt Romney unfortunately just seems to be all interested in Mitt Romney. So, it was a little bit surprising 51-49 but at the end of the day there’s no need for witnesses. If these witnesses had been truly relevant, they would have subpoenaed Bolton in the house, they would have kept this that they withdrew, and they would have brought them in. This was a partisan game from the beginning. 

Gunther

It’s not the job of the House, the Senate rather, to hear from witnesses other than from the witnesses that the house gathered the information from, then it’s the houses job to present. I talked to Bob Barr former congressman, he was an impeachment manager during the Clinton years and he said they called no new witnesses and it’s so funny even Fox Radio is miss implying that, they’re saying despite no witnesses will be called, despite the fact that every other impeachment in the recent history had called the witnesses and Bob Barr said no we did not. They deposed three people, but they called no witnesses. 

Charles

That’s exactly right so I was for five years during that era I was a staff director and counsel in the house and Bob Barr is a good friend of mine. Bob is the one who incidentally started that petition on Clinton for violation of a law I mean perjury is a crime, you can argue about whether it’s a high crime but it’s a crime and at the end of the day you’re right, they deposed, they did not call them before the Senate and they did not add dramatically to the record and that’s the that’s the big difference. The house managers rushed this and then played political games with it holding it back, and then finally released it. I think, probably to try to help Biden in the in the Iowa primary and I don’t know that that did any good for Biden, but at the end of the day John Bolton, and I’ve worked with John as well, John, I don’t think John would have added anything to the mix – so you know what’s happened here is that the American people have been subject to a spectacle and I think most of them should know that it wasted millions of dollars and precious time and why for some sort of political gambit that I think in the end will boomerang against the Democrats in November. 

Gunther

I hope so let’s go to John Bolton they didn’t call him so now all that becomes moot to that point but first of all I disagree that anybody who’s been in an administration should be allowed to write a book while that administration is still in office. 

Charles

Yeah you know, John, the sad part about this is first he didn’t need to write a book, number one. Number two, I mean selfless service doesn’t mean you got to go out there and do a kiss and tell book as soon as you get a publisher who calls you. Publishers called me; they call everybody. The second thing is you’re going to write a book you don’t need to release it in the middle or have it subject to review by the National Security Council right in the middle of an impeachment that you’re talking about. The third thing is you’re not going to put in that book classified information you shouldn’t be you shouldn’t even be thinking along those lines and yet apparently that did happen beyond the simple quote that someone released and the other thing I heard is that internally within the NSC that book was reviewed by partisans who sort of with John and not with others which may explain the release of pre-release of information. It’s just not thoughtful, not the way that we would like to think our public leaders will act after they leave office and there’s nothing wrong with writing an experiential memoir type book about what you’ve done for and with the US government but that is something that typically comes downstream and as you just mentioned I think potentially as well as respectfully is done after an administration has completed its work. 

Gunther

Yeah and honestly, I think he, two things with Bolton’s book. Bolton publishing and doing what he did proves Trump was right to fire him and quite honestly, I do, I think I think he actually made Trump’s point for him that’s why he fired him. 

Charles

Yeah, 

Gunther

Yeah that’s and it makes it you doing what you did John, which too makes me believe Trump was right to fire you. Second of all the fact that Trump fired him tells me there’s nothing to say because if he had the goods on Trump, Trump’s a savvy businessman I don’t think he’s firing John Bolton, he’s keeping him. 

Charles

Yea. 

Gunther

Right? To me him firing yeah, right? That’s why I have you around. 

Charles

Yea, yeah I mean I I look at the merits of this entire thing I agree with you Bobby, but I and I look at the merits of the entire thing and I just say this there’s no there and it’s really disappointing because nothing in John’s book is going to change the underlying facts which essentially the President released to the public as soon as they were under scrutiny and that is that a president conducts foreign policy whether you like how he conducts it or not that’s an Article II job. Biden by every indication I think even just an average person sitting in there in their kitchen around a table would say that what Biden did with his son certainly sniffs of criminality.

It certainly looks like bad judgment and a conflict in both Ukraine and China, we have this treaty maybe that the Attorney General should have been the one making the inquiry but we have we have every basis and we have done this for decades, asked foreign countries in these bilats to help us understand if a criminal act occurred on foreign soil or if a criminal act by their people occurred on our soil. I mean you go all the way back to the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act with Americans in Japan now what 40 years ago it’s not unusual and what’s unusual is that you will take something that amounts to the conduct of foreign policy and turn it into an impeachment and I think John himself must know that that is a highly anomalous turn of events. He’s a Yale educated lawyer he should know that that was just bad, bad judgment on his part and bad judgment on their part. 

Gunther

I honestly feel that shame on Mitt Romney because I think every Republican senator was not just voting about on Donald Trump the issue but on the Constitution are we going to allow the house to tell us to do their job and really could and reward bad behavior and are we going to allow the house or are we going to win peach a president over policy decisions which that’s a slippery slope and to me that should have been a hundred percent Republicans and I’m surprised we didn’t get Manchin and Jones and others to join us now the impeachment vote itself is coming up I’m thinking it goes higher for Republicans in other words they need two-thirds to impeach him and some people like all you well then some Republicans will defect because they have to or they want to show their moderate or whatever and it’ll be like I don’t know fifty five forty five vote for to impeach I think it’s going to be like fifty five forty five to not I think at this point you might get Jones and Manchin saying well we couldn’t get more witnesses so based on what we know there there’s no need to impeach I think the Democrats do join them but you give me your takeaway. 

Charles

I’m with you okay no I’m with you and I’ll tell you why it’s always a game within a game and the game that Schumer is playing the Minority Leader, is he’s going to make the argument that if it’s kind of like arguing that the popular vote went one way but the constitutionally directed electoral college which was really the basis upon which we made our choice for president went the other way. Hillary Clinton went out there constantly talking about the popular vote if they allow it the Republicans were to allow a majority to shift in the other direction the expectation game would be Schumer would go out there saying well look a majority thought he was wrong and voted for impeachment I think the Republicans will hold together on impeachment. I actually also think that your names were the right ones I think it’s very possible to Joe Manchin, why because Joe Manchin for example, faced a 62:26 Trump winning his state. Kristen Sinema I think faced a 48:44 win of Trump in her state, Arizona. Doug Jones faced a 68:22 win on the part of Trump in Alabama. So, you know these are members that if they vote against the president in the in the formal impeachment vote I think that they’re there they’re in trouble because this cycle is going to hurt them. 

Gunther

Yeah, Manchin just got reelected so it might not hurt him, but Doug Jones I think he’s up his term is up and they have the act right? 

Charles

That’s right. 

Gunther

Right. So, if they get nobody else, they ought to get Doug Jones. 

Charles

I think that’s right and I when I say cycle I also mean though that you know one of the things that people are watching is what’s going to happen in the house and even though those are senators I think people’s ire anger is stirred when someone that they believe represents them ends up voting for themselves instead of it’s their own position and for themselves rather than voting in the direction where the popular, just the popular sentiment is so strong in the other direction. Utah is another great example because I think Mitt Romney, I have heard you know how many Republicans grousing that Mitt Romney seemed to be voting his own spleen not voting for what those in Utah thought he ought to be supporting. So I think you’re right, I really do I think you’re going to end up seeing a couple of Democrat defectors at least I’d like to hope that’s the case and I would like to believe that both Collins and of course Markowski and Alexander and Romney stay with the president. 

Gunther

What do you think happens in Iowa? 

Charles

You know I was reading this morning at some lengths that people say they think Sanders is going to walk away with it but I have to tell you this is a bad hour. I called it a witching hour but it’s a bad hour for Democrats because you know the big straw poll that they typically take just on the eve of Iowa, they chose not to take. 

Gunther

Well they actually took it, they took it, you know what have they do they know they took it and did not release it and that’s, that’s why would he feel because they said that they couldn’t people that were doing the poll the screen was in large print and so there were only 11 names showing up on some screens and it’s just not fair to release this that was the scuttlebutt I heard there was a technical issue which makes me say I smell a rat, now it’s so funny yeah these are the people who try to prevent Bernie from winning last time, these are the people of having technical issues now and covering it up and yet they’re the ones it’s crying and bemoaning Trump. They can’t even their own primaries and caucuses right 

Charles

That’s right and we want them to run the federal government and they want the federal government to run you. I think at the end of the day this is going to be very revealing I think that the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary are going to be very revealing about how divided the Democratic Party is my guess is they will turn inward and begin shooting at each other this is a clamber up the back you know someone said to me well it’s very competitive, I said actually what you’re witnessing is that it’s very uncompetitive they are this is not showing high quality candidates who sort of reflect accurately the American sentiment and there’s so many of them you can’t you can’t pick which one you want it’s quite the reverse. There is not a one of them that accurately seems to reflect the majority American sentiment whether it’s you know basic freedoms, whether it’s avoiding this this debacle like Medicare for all, whether it’s trying to stay away from increased regulation and increased legislation that constricts people.

You know I think that Trump has really hit a nerve and to me what we’re going to see this cycle at least in the back of my mind I keep thinking 1984 Ronald Reagan realigned blue collar Democrats between 1980 and 1984. How with a tax cut, strong national security, international affairs, trade policy and low and behold what have we just seen? I think it’s very possible that Trump could really rise strongly this year and you could see a repeat potentially of 1984, in which Reagan just thoroughly walked away with it. 

Gunther

Which I hope you’re right about and I think especially if they put up a real leftist like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders there’s a scuttlebutt that Tom, John Kerry had this expletive laced tweet that he deleted about needing to jump in the race and save it the Democrats and because my time wasn’t doing a good job. So there’s that the George Soros tweeted a cryptic message that the market will collapse just before the election and since he’s got so much money in the game, go ahead give me your take on that and then I’ll let you go. 

Charles

Well, George Soros is an arch leftist himself he’s sort of a deconstructionist, anarchist and he’s made all his money and I won’t comment on how he made his money with derivatives and what not but the bottom line is he’s predicted the end of the market a dozen times he’s predicted the collapse of America a dozen times and I think in his wishful mind that’s where things go he’s also as you know under writes a lot of causes that are real leftist causes. I’m sure he’s witnessing, you know he’s looking to see, gosh which of these people will represent my interests best, but you know yeah again I’m going to come back to the fact that this is a very confused field this is the most confused field in my lifetime, maybe if you went back to the 1960s you could see a little more of this internal dissension and confusion and questions about patriotism and socialism but this is a really odd, odd moment for the Democrats and I think probably for those that think of themselves as traditional Democrats, Franklin Delano Roosevelt Democrats, even John Kennedy or even god forbid Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton Democrats. I think they look at this and they say get your act together folks, you don’t have a winner in the mix because you know that’s true. 

Gunther

I think more and more of them are going you don’t represent my values because they don’t, maybe Trump doesn’t represent their values but none of these guys do because they’re way too far left. Robert Charles great to have you on. He’s a spokesman, he’s the national spokesman for AMAC, The American, the Association I should say, The Association for Mature American Citizens AMAC.US, AMAC.US. You can find out more there. Robert Charles, Thank you Sir. 

Charles

Thank you so much.

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