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AMAC Calls For ‘Rational Debate’ On Gun Control

gun control debateWASHINGTON, DC – Dan Weber, president of the Association of Mature American Citizens, has called for “rational debate’ rather than politically motivated rhetoric” regarding the issue of gun control.

“The murder of innocent children in our nation’s schools by mentally disturbed individuals cannot be tolerated.  Nor should it become political campaign fodder.  Yet that is exactly what is bound to happen in the next eight months leading up the 2018 Mid-Term elections,” says Weber.

In the wake of the tragic mass shooting at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida, former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens escalated the politics of gun control by calling for the full repeal of the Second Amendment.

Weber describes Justice Stevens’ solution as an “absurdly extreme way to control the use of firearms.  Not to mention that it would be perhaps the first time in American history that our own government would be taking away a Constitutional right.”

A scholarly critique of the rationale for gun control showed that many of the reasons cited for the need of more onerous regulation of firearms are deceptive.  One of the criteria cited is the notion that “homicides are largely ‘crimes of passion’ committed by otherwise law‐abiding citizens not distinguishable from other people.  Therefore, control must be directed at all gun owners rather than select criminal subgroups.”

Says Weber, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which keeps track of gun deaths, has found that nearly two-thirds of death by firearms in the U.S. were the result of suicides, accidents and legal interventions.  He notes that homicides accounted for only 33 percent of deaths.

Law professor Robert Delahunty has a different take on the need for more stringent gun control.  According to Delahunty, “progressives claim that more regulation of guns will deter violence and promote public safety.”  But, he says, they demure when it comes to the notion of abortion control.  “The progressive position seems to depend on what kind of laws they are talking about.”

Weber points out that he is in “no way” condoning indiscriminate sales of guns, particularly to individuals who are potentially a danger to themselves  and to others.

“The emotional and mental stability of gun buyers should, indeed, be a factor in deciding whether to allow such sales.  But, in addition we need law enforcement to be more proactive.  For example, there was plenty of evidence to identify the intentions of the shooter in the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School incident.  The FBI and local police had been informed of who he was and what he was capable of.  He was said to go around introducing himself by saying, ‘Hi, I’m Nick. I’m a school shooter.’  Yet, the authorities seemed to ignore the threat he posed.”

More recently, however, police in Lexington, KY got an anonymous tip that a local high school student was threatening to shoot himself and others at his school.  The youngster had recently posted social media pictures of himself with a gun he had recently purchased.  Little time was wasted in obtaining a mental health petition apprehending him.

“Instead of disregarding the right to bear arms granted by our Founding Fathers in the Constitution, instead of targeting legitimate gun buyers and sellers, let’s focus on the reason for the mayhem.  We should be concentrating on the mental health aspects if the issue by finding ways of identifying those with problems and intervening and preventing further atrocities as school shootings,” according to Weber.

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PaulE

I will make this real simple. Negligence or incompetence on the part of the FBI or local law enforcement to take the necessary proactive action against not only the Parkland shooter, but several other similar shooters over the last several years that were either all known to authorities or social workers should NOT be a justification for enacting regressive gun control laws on the overwhelmingly law abiding and responsible gun owners of this nation. There were 45 calls related to domestic violence or the threat of domestic violence logged to the local police over a seven year period BEFORE the shooter finally carried out his act. He was also known to the FBI at least 30 days before the event. See where the problem really is? The same circumstances were present in many of the histories of other mass shooters over the last several years. So rather than talk about… Read more »

Stuart J

“Shall not be infringed” . There us nothing to debate. The government has no authority to ban any arms. All gun laws violare the Constitution and are therefore invalid.

Ralph Ware

How do you have a “rational debate” on the loss of civil rights? Shall we have a “rational debate” over whether we need to have free speech or the right to assembly?

David J. “Bear” Mann

“Rational”. H’mm. A cousin of “common-sense”. If AMAC starts calling for gun control, couched in terms that sound comfy and cozy, I will resign my membership.

I’d rather see a call for “rational” use of mind-altering drugs forced upon students – almost always male – by the schools. Often, parents are threatened with abduction of their children by “Children’s Services” unless they consent to the drugging. How many school shooters were drugged up with prescription medicines demanded by the “authorities”?

Arteest

“rational debate” ? That horse has left the barn. Common sense and reason are a thing of the past. The term “gun violence “ is used constantly and I have yet to see one gun get up from its storage place load it self and then go looking for a target that it deems needing its input before shooting itself. The violence originates in the heart of evil and sin damaged humans who could be classified as demon possessed or oppressed. But, that would start an even wilder rant.

Hank

Some noisy, so-called “progressives”, again, want to “regress” toward a time before the Second Amendment. Our fore-fathers lived in a time without the right to bear arms. That’s why it became so essential to their Constitution. Remember, muskets were the most advanced weapon of the time. Somewhere along the way, that advantage got eroded. Also, read up on the millions that died in Russian because of Stalin’s order 227 “Not a step back”. Civilians were issued an inadequate supply of guns, to fight Germany’s well-equipped Warmacht. There was too little time and ammunition for target practice. If you didn’t know how to shoot – too bad. If you retreated, you were shot as deserters, by your own troops, If you didn’t have a weapon, you had to get one from a dead person who had one. This took place in a war that came after the “War to end all… Read more »

ron

Since the founding of this beautiful country, thousands upon thousands have given there lives to defend our constitution and bill of rights and do so to this day.. It is inconceivable why anyone would be willing to surrender any part of these rights. Those who wish any changes , no matter how minute , need to understand and study these papers , any responsible person will understand there importance. in the continuation of this fine country. If for some reason you cannot live under this contexts do not expect to change these rights without severe opposition . Respect the rights our forefathers have rewarded us with ,and all the patriots have paid for with there lives. Respect what America stands for

nvrfgt

Get Real! The ONE true way to stop the school shootings is to make “no gun zones” illegal in this country, allow teachers to carry and and require training of the teachers who want to. PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Jess

Everybody has the answer, but the problem still remains. Most of today’s shootings can be blamed on a Liberal society. Life in a Liberal world has no value. Only the moment matters.

Dennis LaBare

Never, ever forget that these horrid, tragic incidents involving disturbed people killing with guns will only and always be used as a pretext by the “liberals”, “progressives” – READ Communists – to take ALL guns if they can. That’s the end game, always has been, always will be. There is no such thing as “reasonable” gun control, etc…its all incremental toward a singular goal. If that is ever forgotten, that will be the end of freedom. They are already chewing away at the first amendment in the colleges, etc….Remember Joe McCarthy way back?…everybody said he was crazy when he talked about communists among us. Well, folks, turns out he was right…those back in the day just melted back into academia, media, entertainment, etc….and bided their time…now you’re seeing them come to the fore….they never left, just waited.

michael failla

Its not the gun owners it is the mentally deficient gun users. The ones the authorities are told about and did nothing about. The gun owners (regular citizens are not the problem) it is the lunatics who are in trouble all the time and then get ignored, not investigated nor dealt with properly, they are the problem. The system is the problem.
Taking away our rights is not an answer unless you want a totaliarian government . Dealt with the root cause, dont take away my rights because someone else is unwilling or unable to deal with the real problem.

OG52

Having read down through some of the comments already I see most of what I would say against having a “rational debate” about gun control with the left has been said and I agree wholeheartedly. There is no “rational debate” with these people only moving further in the direction THEY want to go. But, I will say this: If you persist in promoting cooperation with the left on UnConstitutional gun control compromises… You and AMAC and I are done associating with each other. I am tired to the bone of so called conservatives wanting to cave to the left because they think if they give “just a little” the leftys will be satisfied and leave us alone. I promise you, the left IS NEVER SATISFIED and your little compromise now will eventually turn into the total removal of your rights. You cannot give them an inch because what they will… Read more »

Roger

Let’s look first at history (many like to compare the U.S. with Japan or other nations where they say there are few or no guns and no gun crime). The United States was formed and raised up under a ‘gun culture’ (not talking about the mythical gunslingers) in which firearms played a great role in our freedoms! Other nations simply do not have that background but in nations where bladed weapons were popular you see (and you can do research to prove) very high numbers of ‘bladed’ attacks and deaths (high numbers as well). So we have that history. Also, and significant, there are (since registration in the ’90s – not the early full auto restrictions ) some 330+ million firearms registered. Authorities on the subject say there could be “nearly” that many bought before the processes or brought home from various wars (WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam) raising the… Read more »

Buck

“AMAC Calls For ‘Rational Debate’ On Gun Control” Unfortunately Dan, the left cannot fathom ‘rational’ when it comes to firearms. When an irresponsible person gets behind the wheel of a car and causes a deadly accident on the highway, do we call for a ban on cars? No. When a terrorist plows a truck into a crowd of people, or uses one to blow up a building, do we try to ban trucks? No. In Britain, since banning guns decades ago, the mayor of London is threatening its citizens with prosecution for carrying knives, because for the first time last month the city had more murders with knives than New York City had murders with guns! What will be next, hammers and screwdrivers? Instead of laying the blame on the individual who commits the atrocity, they blame the implement used. It fits the agenda. London is proof that when the… Read more »

Carla

There is no debate when it comes to the Constitution.Now if you want to debate whether or not someone doing their jobs and preventing these events,that’s another thing.This is the issue America needs to wake up to the fact that the Communist party in this country will use whom they want to,where they want to,when they want to,to get their agenda done.That agenda is to destroy America and it’s Constitution and Government.They have attacked every entity and people in this Nation.Now We as Americans need to realize they are at war with us and have been at war with us.For pete’s sake they are even using big pharma and opioids along with drug Cartels to kill Americans!!!!Step back and look at the picture and you can see it people!They are evil and infiltrated into high govt posts.They aren’t smart but they are there.The Progressives are in both parties.That is just… Read more »

Karen Duncan

The second amendment is there to protect citizens from the government. Leave the second amendment alone! Arm school adults. There are more deaths daily from teens texting and driving! Take away their phones and cars! End the murder of innocent unborn babies!
Leave the second amendment alone!!!
Karen Duncan

Chuck Young

Sexagenarians and older may recall when mental institutions / insane asylums were prevalent. They may further recall that than firearms were much easier to obtain. Sears-Roebuck & Montgomery Ward sold firearms via mail order catalog. Both catalogs required purchasers to be at least 21 years of age without requiring age verification. Instant narcissistic gratification via television was unheard of. Family’s attended church. Teachers were respected without euphemistically entitled educators. Parents backed teachers when students got in trouble at school. I am unaware of mass shootings up until the University-of-Texas shooting. Rationale debate might include clarification vis-à-vis obfuscation of terms like assault rifle, high-powered rifle. What? Are there low or medium powered rifles available? A return to journalistic integrity may be useful. Newspapers like the Las Vegas Review Journal need to clarify and not obfuscate writer’s bylines. The LVRJ lists a frequent contributor as its White House Correspondent. The LVRJ would… Read more »

Kenneth R. Lowe, Sr.

We DO NOT need more discussion. Discussion leads to more laws. Just leave the 2nd Amendment alone. Treat it as religiously as the 1st Amendment.

BobJ

I joined AMAC as an alternative to the socialist views and actions of AARP. Now Dan Weber wants to go down the same road.There are several problems at work here, none of which involve firearms. We the people let the government take God out of schools. No mass shootings until that happened. We are letting the government run every aspect of our lives. Now the government is not doing their job of protecting us from KNOWN people with mental health issues and career criminals. The inmates are running the asylum. If we the people allow the government to rewrite the constitution and take away firearms, the next step will be to get in the cattle cars folks. If you look beyond what the news folks want you to believe, look at what happened in Australia after the people were required to turn in guns. Law abiding citizens are not the… Read more »

Donnie

WTFU our own gov is doing it!!! Controlled by the deep state in order to get a complete weapon ban so we have no defense! Then they slaughter ever one of us!!