AMAC vs. AARP – Battling for the Hearts and Minds of Seniors

fightsIf you haven’t chosen AMAC over AARP yet, here’s why you should.

During the first debate, President Obama touted the support of AARP for ObamaCare several times, clearly tying them together.

Further proof that they were working in concert can be found in recently released emails between the White House and AARP operatives. As the emails show, AARP threw their tremendous power behind the legislation despite the fact they were getting calls overwhelmingly against it.

In fact, on September 20, 2012, Kimberley A. Strassel of the Wall Street Journal wrote:

“Thanks to just-released emails from the House Energy and Commerce Committee, we now know that AARP worked through 2009-2010 as an extension of a Democratic White House, toiling daily to pass a health bill that slashes $716 billion from Medicare, strips seniors of choice, and sets the stage for rationing. We know that despite AARP’s awareness that its seniors overwhelmingly opposed the bill, the ‘nonpartisan organization’ chose to serve the president’s agenda.
The 71 pages of emails show an AARP management taking orders from the White House, scripting the president’s talking points, working to keep its board ‘in line’ and pledging a fealty to ‘the cause.’ Seniors deserve to know all this, as AARP seeks to present itself as neutral in this presidential election.”

AARP refuses to take a formal position on the Independent Payment Advisory Board (“rationing board”) portion of ObamaCare and even defends some aspects of the board. Given the negative impact that the IPAB will have on seniors, this is unbelievable (but sadly, not unexpected).

AMAC is against the harsh provisions in ObamaCare that gives the Federal government complete control of our healthcare. It destroys the best healthcare system in the world, takes 716 billion dollars out of Medicare, and has the power to restrict and ration our medical treatment.

AMAC is fighting to keep our right to receive treatment from our doctors without the interference of Federal bureaucrats.

Big government experiments like the “stimulus” and ObamaCare have only increased the uncertainty and instability, and are core reasons for the persistently high unemployment rate and why the household incomes of Mature Americans have declined so much.

AMAC, The Association of Mature American Citizens, believes we can do much better. As a steadily growing alternative to groups like AARP, and with an expanding influence in the Nation’s capital, we aim to champion the interests of Mature Americans, seniors, and prospective retirees. We believe in religious freedom, free enterprise, and support common sense solutions to our Nation’s largest challenges.

Bottom line – Our livelihoods, our families’ future prosperity and our standards of living should not be threatened by bad policies emanating from Washington, DC.

AMAC Fights for You!


AMAC, the leading Conservative Alternative to AARP
Dan Weber, President and Founder of AMAC, delivers remarks with the House GOP Doctors Caucus the day the Supreme Court decided to uphold ObamaCare. Standing with Dan are (from left to right) Representatives, Paul Broun (GA-10th), John Fleming (LA-4th), Phil Gingrey GA-11th), Joe Heck (NV-3rd), Ann Marie Buerkle (NY-25th), and Tim Murphy (PA-18th).

As AMAC continues to grow and build a presence in DC, we’re able to stand up to the tremendous lobbying power of AARP on behalf of concerned conservative Americans like you.

A senator told us, “You have got to grow AMAC!” When we asked him why, he said, “You don’t understand, when AARP comes to our committees they say they represent older Americans. We know at times they really don’t, but because of their numbers we have got to listen to them. When AMAC has one million members we can tell them they are not the only one we will listen to.”

AMAC can do something AARP will not do – we’ll fight against the horror of big government “solutions” like Obamacare with common sense solutions. Now, more than ever, we need your help!

If you want to belong to an organization that will speak out for the conservative values you believe in,

For a limited time, a 5-year membership is available for less than $1 a month, and you’ll have access to exclusive AMAC benefits – such as the members-only auto and home insurance program, the AMAC Roadside Assistance Program, travel, and much more!


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Debbie Wright
1 month 17 days ago

Im currently with aarp, but I’ve been told and recently read up on aarp. Im looking to switch so before I am eligible for mc I can find a reasonable supplement. I can’t afford alot because im.ssi disability. How do I locate supplements

David B Teague
1 month 29 days ago

AARP belongs to ALEC. Can AMAC say that?

30 days 1 hour ago

Understand what ALEC is:
Is it good or bad to be associated with ALEC?

Harold Rubin-Smith
1 month 6 days ago

Who funds ALEC?
More than 98% of ALEC’s revenues come from sources other than legislative dues, such as corporations, corporate trade groups, and corporate foundations

Lygia Pickett
6 months 26 days ago

Wow. I wish I had known about AMAC before I sent in my AARP app. I will be checking into an AMAC membership before too long.

perien dudley
7 months 7 days ago

Why doesn’t amac advertise more, i heard from Herman Cain on radio prior to that i never heard of amac. However aarp consistently advertises.

Karen Karad
10 months 12 days ago

AMAC is truly representitive of the voice of American Retirees.

dan moffett
2 years 1 month ago

This long list of COMMENTS in the discussion should be placed on a separate webpage. They should be divided inro categories also.

1 year 4 months ago

Just received your information in our mail. We have never belonged to AARP because we picked up years ago they are not for the best interest of seniors. You hopefully will not go down the same path. However, giving away trinkets for joining is not a very good idea. Use the money spent on the trinkets fighting for our country and sustaining our rights. You’d be surprised how quickly it will mount up. Be different than AARP! Let us join because we believe in what you say you are doing! We plan to join and will give you a chance. Don’t prove us wrong!

Jerry Gill
1 year 8 months ago

I agree with Don, the comments below, both for and against AMAC are over a year old and completely irrelevant to the discussion of the merits of AMAC vs AARP today. AMAC has demonstrated it’s ability to provide seniors with outstanding products and services competitively priced with AARP services, while representing the conservative causes and viewpoints of most seniors. Hopefully all future posted comments will be based on the advantages or disadvantages of the products and services of the two organizations rather than political bickering which serves no purpose other than to inflame the passions of commenters and draw out “trolls” who thrive on and encourage animosity. Seniors face tough obstacles and we should be working on them together, we shouldn’t divide ourselves into camps and fight against one another.

1 year 7 months ago

I just joined Amac .I am so sick of the way big government has become the last several years.I am sick of the lies and the liars.I use to be a registered liberal voter,,but thank God ,,I realized I am more than just a vote.I and millions of others are a Voice,,,and our voices need to be and can be heard by joining AMAC!!!!! I am grateful to have a CHOICE other than the liberally run AARP!!! I am now a member of a better choice! Thank you Amac ! God Bless you and God Bless America again!

11 months 17 days ago
I agree with about AARP, but Amac is in bed with ranking Republicans in DC and most states especially Texas and Florida who are nothing more thanpawns of BIG business. Conservative huge corporations that are recipients of favors from Amac supported mega rich people who could care less about seniors or the near poverty levels most Americans currently try to survive. Like their Amac supported Conservative Republican friends reducing the funding of Medicare that helps with the funding of wars that use volumes of products the rich military conservative corporations (G. Bush and Cheney close friends) that are majority owned by ultra rich Republicans. I am sick that 1% of rich Conservatives own 95% of our nation’s wealth. They refuse to pay their fair share, ship good paying jobs overseas, buying elected officials, funding groups that attempt to disallow low income Americans to share in the nation’s wealth that used… Read more »
2 months 11 days ago

So your saying then, that there are no rich Democrats correct?..LOL

David B Teague
1 month 29 days ago

You are very good at twisting what Forbodden had to say. AMAC is GOP oriented, and the GOP is closely tied to big business. Answer that instead of making tangential remarks. AARP belongs to ALEC. Can AMAC say that?

Harold Rubin-Smith
1 month 6 days ago

I agree with Eric….just because you are a liberal, you can’t see the forest for the trees! ROFL

2 years 10 months ago

AARP support of Obamacare is enough reason to cancel my AARP membership. Obamacare is turning into a monster with cancellation of thousands of current individual policies, disruption of many group plans deemed “Cadillac” plans by Obamacare, and a website that is atrocious. The unions complained, so they are now exempt. Millions of American citizens complain, and they are ignored. As citizens of this great country, we should be able to make our own decisions and own choices about what kind of health plan to get. Obamacare needs to be replaced by another “better way” initiative to help those unable to buy health insurance without imposing fees, policy change, policy cancellations, and more on the vast majority of U.S. citizens that have chosen their own form of health care coverage.

1 year 5 months ago

Obama made claims he would not increase entitlements but all the subsidies of Obamacare are entitlements.
US citizens, very very few illegals, pay into Social Security and Medicare.
Social Security and Medicare ARE NOT entitlements since their direct funding comes from F.I.C.A. payments.
Obamacare subsidies are not from direct payments by the users nor is Medicaid, Food Stamps, S.S.I., Section 8 housing and other WELFARE entitlements.

Obama is a fraud and the most stupidest and racist president ever in the USA.

Candy Clay
5 months 27 days ago

I agree with you about Obama. He would rather spend about $10,000.00 on his daughter dress that she will wear one time to some fancy dinner!!!!!! And that money could have helped a lot of people that go to bed every night with nothing to eat!!! I have never been as mad about anything as I am about that!!! Yes, I am very interested in leaving AARP and coming over to AMAC!!! I will be signing up in about 2 weeks… Thank You, CANDY CLAY

David B Teague
1 month 29 days ago

If YOU had the money, you of a certainty would spend that money on your daughter. Further you would NOT have spent it on those who go to bed without food. That’s not in the nature of right wingers. What he spends of his own money is immaterial to the discussion at hand.
He might be a fraud, stupid, or racist, but your argument does not prove that in any way.

Joe Dea
3 years 13 days ago
OBVIOUSLY John Baxter is a LYING SCUM LIBERAL PLANT !!! Sent here to confuse this issue with MINUSHIA….which is Bull Cr_p and IF YOU DON’T START TO SEE THROUGH THIS PLOY , YOU WILL BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE TAKEOVER and DESTRUCTION OF THESE UNITED STATES….PUT IT TOGETHER PEOPLE…….NOTHING EVER GETS BETTER AS THESE LIARS CONTINUE TO USE WORDS TO CONFUSE YOU!!! EVERY TIME they point their finger and shout about wrongdoing….YOU NEED TO LOOK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION….because THEY are killing somebody while they make you look at someone else “JAYWALKING”!! Their PLOY is to tell you that ” since everything is NOT perfect ” YOU need to “TEAR IT ALL DOWN AND START AGAIN” …. BUT …. they don’t tell you that their way to start all over again is to destroy everything that is GOOD AND DECENT and replace it with their brand of ” CRONYISM AND CORRUPTION”… Read more »
2 years 6 months ago
so you rant and rave about how he is a plant but offer no proof that it was who is playing the magic tricks.sorry but show a link to where he is wrong,prove it. the fact is it tauts Conservative principles which IS getting rid of ss and medicare.don’t say your taut but than run and hide when the truth comes which point do your conservetive principle overtake the needs of the elderly?conservetive principle like deficits,doubling the debt?2 unpaid wars?where those your conservetive principle,how about the nsa that was under bush,.another conservetive principle?how about id card to vote which hurts the elderly?another great conservetive principle i see. you know the conservetive principle where mitch said he job was to make obama a 1 term president NOT to create jobs,NOT to cut the deficit,none of that was HIS job his job was to make him a 1 term president,… Read more »
3 months 30 days ago

Doubling the debt?…You mean like Obama doubled the…listen to liberals without ever researching anything and you sound like a fool.

3 months 30 days ago

your completely uninformed. Lets see some legit evidence of your left leaning nut job proof.

John Baxter
3 years 18 days ago

AMAC’s backers want to abolish Medicare and Social Security. They won’t say it directly, because they are a propaganda mill, but if you follow the money, you will understand that. Don’t be foolish and do your own background check.

5 months 30 days ago

If what you say is true, so what! We don’t need either one. Social Security is a ponzi scheme. Its neither social nor secure. Medicare is a waste of tax payer dollars; its not the government’s job to try & find me a good deal for medical care. I shop for my deals.
Talk about following the money? Who benefits most from Obamacare & the Pork-u-lous bill a.k.a. the Stimilus bill? AARP! Of course, they are for it. They stand to make BILLIONS for this giant turd. Now who’s foolish & didn’t do his background check?

2 years 11 months ago

you better do your homework. you are a liar

3 years 1 month ago

Thank You, Left Wing Wackos. I turn 62 in a few days and came to this site to check out if I should sign up with AARP or AMAC. After the Left’s Bla Bla Bla I will send my money to AMAC.
Thank You, for helping me decide.

3 years 24 days ago


2 years 5 months ago

what do AMAC offer that’s any different than AARP all of them seem to have an agenda of getting money for themselves. I have used the AARP card to get discounts and what they give I can get it from cutting out coupons. So I am asking what can they do theat is so different than
AARP? Can antyone tell; me.

3 years 2 months ago

Why all the venom directed against AMAC? I mean if all they are is gnat of an organization then why worry about it? The libs have either the shortest memory ever or they are deniers of the truth. Do any of you even remember when BO ripped 16 billion from Medicare and then do you remember when the AARP snooze paper came out in a panic and ask us all to write our congress person because Medicare was going broke! Major DUH moment here.

I can’t fathom AARP motivation unless they just wanted to sell us more insurance we will all need if this turd is not defunded.

1 year 3 months ago

I would just like to make a correction ——— BO did not rip 16 billion out of Medicare. He did however rip 700 BILLION from Medicare.

De Schultz
2 years 11 months ago

If obamacare is so great why did the unions get a waiver?

If Obamacare is so great how come the Obama’s and Congress have exempted themselves? If they shove it down our throat then it should be good enough for them

Obama is out to destroy our country and he is will on his way!! He needs to be impeached now!!

2 years 1 month ago

Impeaching BO would give us our VP, yes? Talk about a rock and a hard place!

Louise A Carasone
1 year 3 months ago

I know everyone thinks that the VP is an idiot. I say give him a chance. He can’t be much worse than what we have. just saying!!

2 years 6 months ago

and the rights solution for health care IS..crickets
1994 heritage foundation came up with a MANDATE omg
aca is of course designed after,ROMNEY CARE omg he was the 2012 republican candidate
the taxes to pay for were buy MCCAIN.wrap it up and put a bow on it and the right hates it.
fact if you call it the aca and describe it,even republicans love it.if you say obamacare they hate it.tells you a lot.
bush LIED to get us in wars no outcry of impeachment by right,he started the nsa spying,quiet,he broke us laws with torture,silence.reagan armed and trained osama sold wmd to saddam.can hear a pin drop.omg obama created a health care program that was ruled constitutional.impeach him.

6 months 14 hours ago

“Bush LIED!” Give me a break! Like no democrats have lied. HA! And, lets not forget all the democrats that were running in front of cameras to say the US had to go into Iraq. The fact is the government, republicans and democrats, were fooled by re-hashed assumptions of foreign intelligence.

Jack Fitz
2 years 10 months ago

I agree with you 100%

3 years 2 months ago
Can’t wait to find out who dreamed up this new organization, just guessing it’s gets a lot of funding from the far right, probably fade out after they fail to end Obamacare. Never ceases to amaze me how so many people can be convinced to rally against their own best interests. I love my children and Obamacare is the greatest hope for their future, I am a Teamster with great benefits but I am the last of a dying breed until Unions can be revived. To all the haters out there, copy this post for the future, Obama will be recognized as one of our greatest Presidents, Obamacare will eventually morph into a type of single-payer plan, the GOP will get one more election cycle in power before the Democrats take both Houses of Congress in 2016 and you and your children will use and love Obamacare in the future… Read more »
2 years 3 months ago

Keep dreaming . It must be really “great” with all the waivers and all.

2 years 7 months ago

I see you posted in 7/13, guess you see how misled you were! This is a disaster, DISASTER and will be dismantled very soon!

2 years 7 months ago

The first time you have a family member who needs medical care urgently but cannot get it because care is rationed, you will finally understand why obamacare is not the answer. Governement cannot sustain the financial burden which is why care will be rationed. Unfortunatly for the blind who cannot rationlize reality it will be to late. I fear for the elderly who are no longer working. Their medical care will be reduced to nothing because a panel is making the decision for them to receive medical treatment not a Doctor.

m guth
2 years 11 months ago

If obamacare is so great why did the unions get a waiver

2 years 11 months ago

u r a very weak minded person. u have always been a follower, not a leader

2 years 11 months ago

you do know the teamster leadership is against obamacare-fact

Jeffrey Johnson
3 years 1 month ago

Jerry, If Obamacare is so great how come the obama’s and Congress have exempted themselves?

3 years 1 month ago
Jerry, I really am dumbfounded to hear you say that OB will be recognized as one the greatest presidents. So sorry to hear that you are one of people that really believe his crap of lies. Don’t you realize that he is a puppet for that rich billionaire that hates the USA & the only reason he was put in office was to bring our great country down. I do realize that some of the stuff on the internet that has been said about OB is probably not true, but not all of it are lies. Open your eyes before its too late. Who do you think is going to pay for Obamacare? Certainly not the career unemployed. About him being a natural born citizen, why did he not produce a birth certificate in the very beginning if he has nothing to hide. He only produced one after 4 yrs… Read more »
3 years 1 month ago
If Obamacare is so great, then why are the Teamsters you are so proud of trying to back out? Now that the unions have had a chance to ‘read’ the legislation and have found out how it will gut your Cadillac health plan they want no part of it! Even the IRS workers now don’t want any part of this health plan! Get real! Obamacare is already bankrupting this country and will continue to do so if it is allowed to continue. The 40 hour and 32 hour work week is dead or dying…So employers can avoid paying for health insurance under Obamacare…If you are lucky enough to get a part-time job, you may be fired before your ‘training period’ ends so employer does not have to pay benefits…This is already happening in my state since passage of Obamacare. I’m on Medicare and have already seen premiums and copays go… Read more »
3 years 2 months ago

WOW…….This guy most have drank a gallon of koolaid. I my self am a teamster ( local 305) . obamacare is going to be a deathnail to the 40 hour workweek. If you think I am wrong just look at what companies are going to do to be able to get out of paying.
But why do you think the administration put on hold the mandate for companies untill 2015……..2014 election maybe?

3 years 2 months ago

AMAC must be doing some serious harm to AARP or all these Obamabots would not be here spewing their hatred! I have discovered that the left uses the exact same technique every time they try to shut down someone or something that threatens their power…1) name calling and profanity 2) accuse the opposition of being greedy and only in it for the power, money etc. 3) claim THEY tried or supported it and had horrible things happen to them 4) start all over again with the name calling and try to find a way to slip the race card into it!

3 years 2 months ago
At the risk of sounding like one of the “Obamabots” you describe, why does this article say our healthcare system is the best in the world? The people who wrote this, the people who have a problem with Obamacare, and right wing conservatives don’t seem to understand how the world works. The system has been broken, the system still is broken, and Obamacare is also broken – but at least they’re trying to do something new. For someone who makes minimum wage today, you have to spend ~20 hours working to see a GP for 15 minutes. If that is a system that “works,” then I don’t think I understand the basis of that system. That is a result of a combination of greed and inefficiency, and, incidentally, it happens to stack the system against both minotities (who tend to be poor for a number of reasons), and a growing… Read more »
3 years 1 month ago

Bill, nothing in this world is perfect but the USA probably has one of the best in the world. If you don’t like it then go to another country & see what you can get. Maybe you think that Glenn Beck is shouting insanity because he is telling the truth to what is really going on in this country. If you are looking to the media for the truth forget it. There are lots of American doing very noble things here & in our military but those are never mention in the media. They only dig up stuff to depress us & make OB look good.

2 years 6 months ago

Odd you should mention the military Cheryl, because they’ve had government run healthcare for over 100 years. Works pretty well too, by all accounts. And all those members of Congress? Do you think they’d ever even think of giving up their taxpayer paid platinum-plated healthcare? Not a chance. The Republican members just don’t want you to have anything remotely similar to it. Our healthcare system is in shambles. A sudden healthcare issue is the leading cause of bankruptcy in this country. And close to one million Americans declare bankruptcy every year because of it. If that’s what you call one of the best healthcare systems in the world, then you are sadly deluded.

3 years 2 months ago
To Cap’n Ron.. and too many others.. Despite your characterization of the ACA as being an “bipartisan” legislation, the fact that not a single Republican voted for it makes it clearly NOT “Bipartisan” at all. Just wondering how you came up with the idea that it was “bipartisan”? I also wonder just why you and others are so against another senior’s group being involved and only considering it as being a “hate” group or an “Republican” group?? Is there not room for more than one Organization to be representative of “Seniors” or are you people more interested in an totalitarian state where one one voice can speak? Statements like yours and other’s similar commentary speak loud and clear for your intolerance, your totalitarian philosophy, and your hate for others not like you or with differing viewpoints than yours. The Seniors of this Country deserve better than this. By your insinuation… Read more »
Gene Jarvi
3 years 2 months ago

Just another branch of the Republican Party. Now they will present their distortion of facts to the older generation, of which I am one of. They are displaying their twisted versions of all issues to everyone. It’s all bullshit . They want the White House in 2016 and will twist, distort, and exaggerate any issue that Obama is involved with. They are so obvious in what they are doing. They are making asses of themselves. They will eventually bullshit their way out of existence.

3 years 28 days ago
And so your evidence of such claims is…… Sounds like a direct quote of the MSNBC propaganda Please provide some evidence if you are going to make such claims about AMAC I am sure you are an intelligent person, let’s try to show it in the political debate or you just sound wacky There are many people (actually by far a majority in the country) who are against Obamacare and clearly that is why the 2010 election went the way it did. — the tea party movement for smaller govt was sparked by it and extremely successful — the fact is that democrats are now running from Obamacare and even unions are against it– wow! It is true that AARP went extremely political on obamacare even though their members were overwhelmingly against it — why should we continue to support an organization that takes action against what we support? AMAC… Read more »
El Duke
3 years 2 months ago

Mark J, you are doing exactly what you protest. You are pointing your finger at those that do not believe as you do and mocking them. Notice, when you point your finger at others that there are 3 more pointed back at you. It is very childish to attack an individual as you have and even insult someone by calling their mother a beast of the field. You are very typical of the average liberal. You shout “Nay, Nay. That is intolerant!!”, yet you are the most intolerant of all.

3 years 1 month ago

El Duke, you are so right, . The liberals are the most intolerant.

Mark J
3 years 2 months ago

Wow. So this is the state of discourse in America. “You belive this, you’re an idiot” “No I’m not, you’re an idiot” “No I’m not!” “Yes you are!”


Truth is, both of these groups represent certain idiologies. Pick the one that fits your beliefs, and stop calling those who chose otherwise names. You look like idiots.

Just make sure who it is that backs the org you are thinking of joining. If they fit your beliefs, great. If not, THEN DON’T JOIN! Just don’t attack those that do.

Man, this childish “We’re always right and your always wrong. Your an idiot. And your mother was a wildebeast.” BS is really tiresome and absolutely not helpful.

3 years 2 months ago


Bruce Bacon
3 years 2 months ago

Another right wing hate group. Yawn.

3 years 2 months ago

Libs do more “hating” and name calling than any convervative. Look in the mirror, hypocrite!

Fred Parker
3 years 2 months ago

Clones like you on the LEFT are ALL about Hate, so that would make you an expert.

Randall R. Kniess
3 years 2 months ago

Do tell where the hate is in this advertisement? I do believe it was a leftist phrase, “Question government!”, that was so loudly touted by those of my generation. OK, some of us have followed that advice and have found our government to be acting against the provisions of the Bill of Rights. The greed in that group’s leadership is to line their pockets with profits by being what the left says they are against. Corporate capitalism. We who refuse to accept this arrangement, oppose it collectively. That’s not right-wing hate, that’s Americans and the American way. The only hate that many of us Americans see here, is the sappy, trollish drivel emanating from a boorish troll named after a piece of swine flesh. Namely you and your equally destructive useful idiots.

T. Vaughan
3 years 2 months ago

Thanks for the comment “pork belly”….helped me make up my mind…..sending in my membership to AMAC tomorrow!!

may britton
3 years 2 months ago

how do i get a packet to look at and decide –i am no longer with aarp either after i found out they was for obamacare
would like to have a packet please

Tina R
3 years 3 months ago

Part of the problem of solidifying any one group is what I see here. Stop name calling and putting each other down and stick to finding solutions.

RM Fisher
3 years 2 months ago

I’m sorry, but if you believe OBAMA…. I’ll stick with AARP. And, since when are advocates for us seniors engaging in petty slander? You discredit yourself in so doing.

You should be working together if you are truly out to help and support the Elderly.
Never mind AMAC vs AARP. That will not stand.

Bobby Prince
3 years 2 months ago

Please take me off your mailing list. I do not want to hear about your propaganda and lies!

3 years 1 month ago

Yea, that will help you. Just go bury your head in the sand.

Fred Parker
3 years 2 months ago

Yeah Bobby, I guess you prefer your own spoon fed brand of propaganda, – so stick with your MSNBC and the rest of lockstep Libtard media information.

R. Phillips
3 years 2 months ago

Some can see the facts and refuse to believe them.